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How would you rename handicap stones?
Poll ended at Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:24 pm
Learning stones 19%  19%  [ 7 ]
Magic fun rocks 36%  36%  [ 13 ]
Affirmative action stones 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Welfare tokens 14%  14%  [ 5 ]
Strength challenged stones 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Black things 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 36
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Offline Javaness2
 Post subject: Rename Handicap Stones
Post #1 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:24 pm 
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Truth be told, the name puts people off.

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Offline speedchase
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Post #2 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:30 pm 
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Javaness2 wrote:
Truth be told, the name puts people off.

I think what you meant was the name puts some people off. I think it is fine.
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Offline hyperpape
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Post #3 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:52 pm 
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Offline Bill Spight
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Post #4 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:55 pm 
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Offline Bonobo
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Post #5 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:14 pm 
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For me, it depends upon whether I play black or white. In the latter case, it’s “them black ***holes”; in the former, “my preciousss”.

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Offline Redbeard
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Post #6 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:22 pm 
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When comes to assigning names, the RFC suggests names from mythology, but a lot of admins use cartoon characters or animals. I'm partial to using Pokemon myself.

As for the term handicap as it relates to Sports and Gaming i.e. "A race or contest in which contestants are given advantages or compensations to equalize the chances of winning" I don't see an issue. If someone does, maybe they need to buy a dictionary.
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Offline Kirby
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Post #7 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:23 pm 
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Just "stones" seems fine...

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Offline lemmata
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Post #8 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:14 pm 
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Javaness2 wrote:
Truth be told, the name puts people off.

Is it a matter of pride?

EDIT: ***Boring editorialization used to be here***

Isn't the handicap system one of the great features of go?

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Offline Kirby
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Post #9 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:25 pm 
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I liked your editorialization, lemmata. Though, I felt after reading it that I was one of the immature guys that stuck around...

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Offline lemmata
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Post #10 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:43 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
I liked your editorialization, lemmata. Though, I felt after reading it that I was one of the immature guys that stuck around...

I'm also one of those immature guys that stuck around. :) Win or lose, things are much more relaxed these days on the go board. It's real life that's stressful.

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Offline daal
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Post #11 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:35 pm 
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Offline kex
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Post #12 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:34 am 
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Offline Inkwolf
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Post #13 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:23 am 
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daal wrote:
allies
ninjas
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homies
noob nuggets



I think we need a new version of the poll with Daal's suggestions added.
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Offline ez4u
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Post #14 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:40 am 
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Where is the "Other" button?

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Offline daal
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Post #15 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:27 am 
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #16 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:15 am 
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horseracing.com wrote:
...The origin of the practice is credited to one Admiral Henry John Rous, a steward of England’s historic Jockey Club, who in the 1860’s devised the Weight for Age Scale (often abbreviated to WFA)...


popeofslope.com wrote:
...the Scots also invented handicapping, that almost unique apparatus that allows players of any skill level to compete fairly against one another on the identical field of play...

The term handicapping originated in horse racing; a jockey was handed his odds for the race in a cap (hand-in-cap). But the concept far preceded the word. Early on, the act of allowing strokes in golf was called "assigning the odds," and was done by the precursor of the modern Handicap Committee Chairman, who was called "adjustor of the odds."...

In the 1870s, English clubs adopted the term "handicap"; events with odds were called "handicap contests" or "handicap tournaments." ...


Golfers have apparently used the word for about 140 years. It doesn't seem to have hurt that sport. It has been used even longer in horse racing, and they don't seem to be adversely affected by it. ( dare I say handicapped by it? ) So I see no need to change our use of it.

Where is the "I don't feel guilty, so don't change it" option?

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Offline Bantari
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Post #17 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:49 pm 
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Really?!?

How about: The-stones-that-you-put-on-the-board-before-you-start-the-game-to-balance-the-assumed-and-alledged-difference-in-rank-which-might-or-might-not-translate-into-difference-of-strength-and-might-be-bogus-due-to-sandbaggers-anyways? This should satisfy the people who are oh-so-afraid of accepting the fact that they are (allegedly) weaker than their opponents and might need a handicap to have an interesting game.

PC is "by definition" silly: calling-things-by-what-they-are-not-to-possibly-avoid-offending-somebody-who-lacks-self-confidence-and-keeps-whining-about-it - but puh-leeze! I say - PLEASE, don't go there! When this is the path we take - the whole community will become even more of the nightmare it already is. Lets try fixing things by being more understanding rather than continue to nitpick at everything we possibly can!

Who came up with the idea?.... lets have some names! ;)

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Offline Phelan
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Post #18 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:58 pm 
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daal wrote:
noob nuggets


This one is the most hilarious. I think I might start referring to them this way in friendly company. :lol:

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Offline tundra
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Post #19 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:54 pm 
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Offline hyperpape
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Post #20 Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:48 am 
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hanekomu wrote:
Ah, more politically correct do-gooders with too much time on their hands.

You forgot to point out that you probably also see "black" and "white" as racist, that "to kill" is immoral, and that tengen, the "origin of heaven" is insensitive towards other religions.

If only these people would expend as much energy into studying Go as they do in forcing their morals onto others, they might be 10 kyu by now.
You should really take a deep breath.

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