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Post #1 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:30 pm 
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Anyone that's been around the forums for awhile probably has realized some of the pessimism I exhibit toward... maybe it's authority(?)... when it comes to go.

I get into arguments about trivial matters, and criticize go establishments - KGS, the AGA, maybe even some forum contributers (if you'd consider them establishments).

I don't know why this is, exactly... Maybe I have a problem with authority. Maybe it makes me feel more insignificant...

Whatever the reason, I was wrong.

I just watched the trailer for "The Surrounding Game," which by the way, seems to be put together quite nicely. Maybe I'm just feeling emotional right now, but I think at least for this transient moment, I realize that my attitude has been completely wrong.

Sure give me any topic, any person, or any organization... And I can probably find something negative to say about them.

But e fact is, they are there. And nothing can ever be refined if nothing is ever started.

So I would like to apologize. I want to apologize to KGS, to the AGA, to Mr. Fairbairn, and anyone else I may have offended along the way.

I'm nothing but a mere player of this game. And it is those authorities that I have criticized that really deserve my praise.

So cheers to all of you that have supported go, no matter to what degree. You're making the world a better place. I just hope that someday I can do a fraction of the same.

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Post #2 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:37 pm 
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WTF?? "I want to apologize to everybody." First Araban, now Kirby. Is it contagious?

Guys, we make mistakes. We're human. Just resolve to do better and put away the lashes.

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Post #3 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:44 am 
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What Joaz says.

That said, I feel great respect and sympathy for anybody who has the courage to say they were wrong (regarding whatever) and the greatness to apologize to somebody. And I dearly hope that you, Kirby, are staying here—every community needs people with such courage and greatness.

So, what’s the opposite of the Dunning-Kruger Effect? Methinks we need a word for this.

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Post #4 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:54 am 
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Post #5 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:19 am 
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I'm not saying I'm going to leave the forums, and I don't really intend to have a huge tone of regret. The main thing I want to say is that, in the past, I have focused on the negative. I have criticised because it is easy to do so. I have missed looking at the good aspects of contributors to the go community.

Those contributors are not perfect, but they are contributors for a game that I like.

I think that "The Surrounding Game" maybe reawoke a vision of go that I had a long time ago, but that has since been buried by a negative attitude.

For sure, things can still improve, but I hope to retain a positive vision for the go community moving forward. That is, behind whatever complaints I have, I hope to remember the good parts of these institutions.

Either way, I'm sure that I can fill the "annoying bastard" role in some people's hearts... :-)

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:54 am 
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Post #7 Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:25 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
We're human.


You should really apologise for that!


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Post #8 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Mivo wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
We're human.

You should really apologise for that!


Yet humans created go. Sorry, I don't ascribe to the alien/deity invention theories.

on topic:
I too* have a rebellious/independent/anti-authority bent. My tendency is to challenge everything and everyone. In itself, it is not a weakness--the community needs people to challenge assumptions and ideas. But the key is to raise issues in a constructive/productive way. And perhaps deciding when silence is the best course (a decision I make only begrudgingly). Maybe this relates in some way to a difference between pessimism and criticism (in the positive sense).

Anyhow, good thoughts.

*Based on your post, I'm inferring that you would describe yourself as having such a tendency, but correct me if I'm wrong.

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