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Author: | SmoothOper [ Sun May 20, 2012 3:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Styles both players have to want to play |
It seems there are many fuseki and joseki that both players have to want to play. For example the diagonal corner fuseki and the complicated variations of the large avalanche joseki. I generally don't play these to simplify my studies. I am wondering if this might be why Takemiya didn't win quite as many titles with his Cosmic Style as one might have expected given his popularity. |
Author: | ez4u [ Sun May 20, 2012 6:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Styles both players have to want to play |
Yes, all joseki are cooperative efforts and at best Black and White can choose their first two plays regardless of what their opponents do. Although even here... As long as Black is content with a parallel fuseki, White can not stop Black after this ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() In fact, in GoGoD there are 700 games with this 1,2,3 and playing ![]() The comment on Takemiya has me scratching my head ( ![]() Code: Player Titles Cho Chikun 72 Sakata 64 Kobayashi Koichi 59 Otake 48 Kato 47 Cho U 37 Rin Kaiho 35 Yoda 35 Ishida Yoshio 24 *Takemiya* 24 Fujisawa Shuko 23 O Rissei 22 Yamashita 21 Hane Naoki 21 Only eight people in the NK's history have accumulated more titles, so he is no slouch in that regard either. ![]() |
Author: | SmoothOper [ Sun May 20, 2012 8:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Styles both players have to want to play |
ez4u wrote: The comment on Takemiya has me scratching my head ( ![]() I am just hypothesizing, maybe The people liked his style so they tended to go along with it maybe just to see where it went. |
Author: | Boidhre [ Mon May 21, 2012 3:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Styles both players have to want to play |
I found this quote interesting from the John Fairbairn book on Honinbo Shuei: "Weaker players tend to favour one style to compensate for weaknesses in another way of playing. Truly strong players favour a style mainly out of personal preference." |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Mon May 21, 2012 9:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Styles both players have to want to play |
SmoothOper wrote: ez4u wrote: The comment on Takemiya has me scratching my head ( ![]() I am just hypothesizing, maybe The people liked his style so they tended to go along with it maybe just to see where it went. I was in Japan when Takemiya, at age 15, burst upon the scene by defeating three 9 dans. IIRC, he was 5 dan. For a 5 dan to defeat a 9 dan was unheard of at the time. Also, he is a friendly, likeable guy. Of the pros that I have met, only Yamabe struck me as friendlier. |
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