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Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  There's hope for the rest of us

This game - a 5D vs a 5D on KGS - was moderately amusing, particularly white's penultimate move.
Can anybody find a better move than filling the ko?



[ EDITED to remove player's name in comments ]

Author:  speedchase [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 5D vs 5D on KGS

Interesting. My inner ddk moments usually last less than the entire game, not much less unfortunately :lol:

Author:  palapiku [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:14 pm ]
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A fitting end.

Author:  TheBigH [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:11 pm ]
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Wow. That's just... wow. I guess even dans can have moments of derpitude. What a way for a game to end. I'm the kind of guy who'd offer an undo if I were in black's position.

Author:  lorill [ Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5D vs 5D on KGS

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
This game was moderately amusing, particularly white's penultimate move.
Can anybody find a better move than filling the ko?

you forgot to censor the names on several occasions, at the end notably.

Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:42 am ]
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lorill wrote:
...
you forgot to censor the names on several occasions, at the end notably.


Thanks. I think I got them all now.

Author:  Splatted [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5D vs 5D on KGS

Lmao I feel better about some of my recent games now. :lol:

Author:  Tooveli [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:26 am ]
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Thanks. I think I got them all now.


If you need to do this in the future you can just open the sgf with a text editor and do a find and replace for the names you want to remove. (Won't work for typos by kibitzers though)

Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5D vs 5D on KGS

I was watching games on KGS tonight, and saw another one. This was 6D vs 5D

It ended by black's resignation.
Can anybody find a better move than resigning?


Author:  Loons [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5D vs 5D on KGS

It's a ko?

Author:  ez4u [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5D vs 5D on KGS

Just looks dead after E6.

Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:34 am ]
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White's last move is also really bad, since he could've lived with E4.

Author:  HermanHiddema [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:36 am ]
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Yup. But white should have played E4 instead of F8, of course :)

Author:  SmoothOper [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: There's hope for the rest of us

Recently, I have had a string of games that seem to end that way either I or my opponent makes a brain dead obvious mistake(self atari or missing an easy capture), after a complicated Ko Fight or during an extended capturing race. I suspect it is due to some sort of fatigue or endurance problem.

Author:  leichtloeslich [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:11 pm ]
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It's clearly ko.

Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:39 pm ]
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leichtloeslich wrote:
It's clearly ko.

It is? It looks unconditionally dead to me.
After E6, E4, E6, E5, G3, white can have the ko if he wants, but black connects underneath.
Where is white's second eye?

Author:  Kirby [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:49 pm ]
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
leichtloeslich wrote:
It's clearly ko.

It is? It looks unconditionally dead to me.
After E6, E4, E6, E5, G3, white can have the ko if he wants, but black connects underneath.
Where is white's second eye?


Of course, you are correct - it's not ko, and can be killed.

But more relevant than this, to me, are the time settings for this game. Surely, we have all made stupid mistakes with only a few seconds on the clock. I don't know these players, but a 5d or 6d rank ondicates that they've likely made fewer such mistakes.

There's also the possibility that an outside factor came into play. For example, maybe the baby started crying and the guy had to leave. Or maybe the boss walked in and asked for the guy's TPS report. :-)

Author:  leichtloeslich [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:29 pm ]
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
E6, E4, E6, E5, G3

Try e5 at g3.

Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: There's hope for the rest of us

leichtloeslich wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
E6, E4, E6, E5, G3

Try e5 at g3.


Hmm...it is a ko for the life of half of the group - after the other half dies. That half is about 20 points, which ought to be enough for B to win.

Author:  Kirby [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:58 pm ]
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leichtloeslich wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
E6, E4, E6, E5, G3

Try e5 at g3.


Interesting idea, even if white still loses a lot of points.

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