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Offline John Fairbairn
 Post subject: 1001 GoGoD Games for your Coffee Break #23 (5 Feb 2013)
Post #1 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:30 pm 
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We have just seen a couple of examples of time trouble, and here is another one - but an unusual one in two respects. First it was in the 1931 Oteai where games spanned two or even three days. Getting into time trouble in those circumstances seems over the top. Second, White (Kitani) evaded his time problems by repeatedly taking a double ko! If you didn't know about the time trouble you could fall into the trap of thinking there was some truly elevated thinking going on.

As an incidental point, note that the first 31 moves are all on the third and fourth lines. Where does that leave Shin-Fuseki?


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 Post subject: Re: 1001 GoGoD Games for your Coffee Break #23 (5 Feb 2013)
Post #2 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:19 pm 
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So, next time I get into time trouble, just create a double ko on the board. Got it.

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Offline ez4u
 Post subject: Re: 1001 GoGoD Games for your Coffee Break #23 (5 Feb 2013)
Post #3 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:20 pm 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
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As an incidental point, note that the first 31 moves are all on the third and fourth lines. Where does that leave Shin-Fuseki?...

The wave of the future? :blackeye:

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Offline ez4u
 Post subject: Re: 1001 GoGoD Games for your Coffee Break #23 (5 Feb 2013)
Post #4 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:54 am 
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The true GoGoD junkie can never resist... :rambo:

The first 94 plays below the fifth line (not just the 3rd and 4th line though)
Go Diagram
Yamashita Keigo 7d - O Rissei 9d, 27th Kisei Final, Game 5, 2003-02-26,27
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[go]$$Bcm95 Yamashita Keigo 7d - O Rissei 9d, 27th Kisei Final, Game 5, 2003-02-26,27
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | X O . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . O |
$$ | . X O O . O X . . . . X O X . X O O X |
$$ | X . X , . . X . . X . . O . . X O X . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . . O O . X O O . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . O O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And runner up, the first 88 moves below the fifth line...

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Ma Xiaochun 9d - Nie Weiping 9d, 6th Tianyuan Final, Game 3, 1992-03-05
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[go]$$Bcm89 Ma Xiaochun 9d - Nie Weiping 9d, 6th Tianyuan Final, Game 3, 1992-03-05
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . O . O O X O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , O . O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O O X O . O O . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X O . O . . X . O X . O . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: Plus the longest time that Takemiya resisted the urge to play above the fourth line, 56 moves...
Go Diagram
Yamashiro Hiroshi 9d - Takemiya Masaki 9d, 41st Honinbo Final, Game 2, 1986-05-28,29
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[go]$$Bcm57 Yamashiro Hiroshi 9d - Takemiya Masaki 9d, 41st Honinbo Final, Game 2, 1986-05-28,29
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X O . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , O . . . O X . O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Dusk Eagle
 Post subject: Re: 1001 GoGoD Games for your Coffee Break #23 (5 Feb 2013)
Post #5 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:18 am 
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Didn't play above the fourth line, yet still controls the center.

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