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| Author: | vidak [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:58 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | how the hell did I not win this?? | ||
Hey guys, hasn't black won this game? I mean when I tried to count the pieces with chinese scoring, I believe that I won, yet the COSUMI site says that white has won by 87.5 points? Maybe some of my (black) stones are dead, and I don't get it? I just started Go today, so I'm not sure.. Thanks!
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| Author: | xed_over [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how the hell did I not win this?? |
vidak wrote: Maybe some of my (black) stones are dead, and I don't get it? yeah, they're all dead -- sorry. but welcome to go 
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| Author: | vidak [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how the hell did I not win this?? |
oh ok, I get that the right group is dead. However, I still got: 1) Top right group - two eyes -> alive 2) top left group - uncontested, whoever puts a stone loses the "ko", so its like nobodys land? 3) bottom left - even when I lose the right group, don't I still have guaranteed two freedoms in the bottom left corner? |
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| Author: | snorri [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how the hell did I not win this?? |
When in doubt, play it out! Let me know if you have trouble walking the tree in this diagram. Some terms too look up: dead eye shapes capturing race false eye |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how the hell did I not win this?? |
I played the game out until no more Black stones were on the board. Next time, try taking 8 stones from the computer. If you win, go down to 7 stones. If you lose go up to 9 stones. Keep changing the handicap after each game. Welcome to go!  |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:52 pm ] |
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vidak wrote: 1) Top right group - two eyes -> alive No, top right group has only 1 eye, not 2 eyes. This group has 2 points, but unfortunately that makes only 1 eye.vidak wrote: 2) top left group - uncontested, whoever puts a stone loses the "ko", so its like nobodys land? No, top left group is not seki, there's no ko, it's just dead. Verify for yourself this is true.vidak wrote: 3) bottom left - even when I lose the right group, don't I still have guaranteed two freedoms in the bottom left corner? No, bottom left group is dead shape. Here, the two "freedoms" -- whatever this means for you -- don't make 2 eyes for this group.This is more difficult for you to see -- see Bill's variations. Welcome to Go.
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how the hell did I not win this?? |
This may all seem a bit confusing now, and when you first do learn it, it will seem rather arbitrary. But hang in there. It will make sense in the long run. And welcome to L19. |
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| Author: | GoRo [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:19 am ] |
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EdLee wrote: ... the two "freedoms" -- whatever this means for you -- German = "wie viele Freiheiten haben diese Steine?" ======> according to Google Translator ======> English = "how many freedoms have these stones?" and English = "how many liberties have these stones?" ======> according to Google Translator ======> German = "wie viele Freiheiten haben diese Steine? Cheers, Rainer (GoChild GoRo with 1932687 points) |
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| Author: | vidak [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how the hell did I not win this?? |
Wow, thanks for the great great help guys!!! This is the best community in the world lol So much friendliness and help I understand everything now, I was confused because I didn't recognize fake eyes I won my first game against the computer today :] (in a 9x9 table on level 1, but still won  )I like Go very much, hope to improve as soon as possible! Thanks again guys! |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:32 am ] |
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GoRo, Thanks. Vidak, Congratulations. And treat your liberties ("freedoms") like the very air you inhale... When we are down to our last breath, we're almost dead! Enjoy! 
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