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 Post subject: Davies - Life or Death - Problem 9.4
Post #1 Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:09 pm 
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I got a different solution to Problem 4 in Chapter 9 of Davies' "Life or Death" and I'm curious if my solution is wrong or less optimal in some way or just a different solution.

The problem is:

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[go]$$Bc Black to make a Ko
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | . X X . .
$$ | O O X . .
$$ | . . O X .
$$ | . . O X .
$$ | . . O X .
$$ | . O X X .
$$ | . . . . .
$$ +-----------[/go]


My solution is:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | . X X . .
$$ | O O X . .
$$ | . . O X .
$$ | 5 4 O X .
$$ | . 3 O X .
$$ | 1 O X X .
$$ | . 2 . . .
$$ +-----------[/go]


Davies lists the solution as:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | 5 X X . .
$$ | O O X . .
$$ | . 6 O X .
$$ | 3 4 O X .
$$ | . 7 O X .
$$ | 1 O X X .
$$ | . 2 . . .
$$ +-----------[/go]


Is it just that Davies solution closes off the outside in sente? So that even if Black loses the ko, White doesn't get any endgame pushes?

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Post #2 Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:52 pm 
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Yes. Both solutions lead to ko with White taking first. In the standard solution the ko is less favorable for White.

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Post #3 Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:18 am 
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And what about this for white, is it better for her ?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | . X X . .
$$ | O O X . .
$$ | . . O X .
$$ | . . O X .
$$ | 2 . O X .
$$ | 1 O X X .
$$ | 4 3 . . .
$$ +-----------[/go]


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Post #4 Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:20 am 
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | . X X . .
$$ | O O X . .
$$ | . . O X .
$$ | . 6 O X .
$$ | 2 . O X .
$$ | 1 O X X .
$$ | 4 3 5 . .
$$ +-----------[/go]


:b7: takes ko.

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Post #5 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:00 am 
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Oops! This is better. In fact, in a real game it would probably be the main line.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | . X X . .
$$ | O O X . .
$$ | . . O X .
$$ | 3 4 O X .
$$ | 2 5 O X .
$$ | 1 O X X .
$$ | . . . . .
$$ +-----------[/go]


:w2: looks better than the book line because of the possible sente endgame on the left side.

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Post #6 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:25 am 
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Post #7 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:46 am 
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Edit: Forget what i wrote - i was wrong. (Doing tsumego before coffee is not a good idea)


A bit tough to forget something which is not even available to see.

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Post #8 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:30 am 
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MagicMagor wrote:
Edit: Forget what i wrote - i was wrong. (Doing tsumego before coffee is not a good idea)


A bit tough to forget something which is not even available to see.


Don't think about a pink elephant! :lol:

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