Life In 19x19 :: Online-Slump?

Hey folks,
after playing the L19-Tournamentgame last friday I noticed that I'm in a real state of online-slump. I don't know why but when I play online I can't concentrate on the game. I thought because of the "seriousness" of the L19-tournament game I'd be able to discard my normal online-playing-mood... but I was wrong.
When I start sitting infront of the pc-desk my concentration starts to drop, I'm not able to think longer then 3-4 minutes before I distract myself with surfing the internet while playing or walking to the kitchen etc.

This attitude sneaked in when I hit Shodan. I thought that it'd be a general problem but strangely enough my reallife-tournamentresults are still good, I can truly sink into the game to the extend that I even dont sense any observers etc.

For the sake of not playing rubish online games and dishonoring my opponent, I stopped playing online a week ago, but I don't know if this will fix my attitude towards onlinegames.

Has anyone experienced the same and/or has some tips how to come through this?

Hehe well I think another problem is that I really really hate losing... the result after a short onlinesession (1-2 quick games) most of the time is, that I'm really angry at myself for losing a won game because of playing travian (a browsergame) or watching TV in another window...

Hey folks, [...]

For the sake of not playing rubish online games and dishonoring my opponent, I stopped playing online a week ago, but I don't know if this will fix my attitude towards onlinegames.

Has anyone experienced the same and/or has some tips how to come through this?

Ditto on all of this. I went from beating a 3d OTB to losing to a 5k online, and this almost exactly describes why. Enter a big fight that requires reading and I sit there thinking "ah, jeez, I wanted to relax, this is too much like hard work" and starting throwing instinctive stones around while doing something else in another window.

Hehe well I think another problem is that I really really hate losing...

OT: mad props for helel's avatar. :mrgreen:

In general, each properly-ranked player should be well accustomed to losing around 50% of his/her games.
On-line and off-line.

Bantari wrote:

In general, each properly-ranked player should be well accustomed to losing around 50% of his/her games.
On-line and off-line.

Only if you're satisfied with stagnation. If you are improving, even slowly, you should win a little more than 50% of your games.

Bantari wrote:

In general, each properly-ranked player should be well accustomed to losing around 50% of his/her games.
On-line and off-line.

Only if you're satisfied with stagnation. If you are improving, even slowly, you should win a little more than 50% of your games.

I suppose that is the downside to getting better at the game; you're serious, games take more and more time to read through.

Travian killed two weeks of my life. No way could I do that again, silly Teutons and their ways...

Author:	Jonas [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:13 am ]
Post subject:	Online-Slump?
Hey folks, after playing the L19-Tournamentgame last friday I noticed that I'm in a real state of online-slump. I don't know why but when I play online I can't concentrate on the game. I thought because of the "seriousness" of the L19-tournament game I'd be able to discard my normal online-playing-mood... but I was wrong. When I start sitting infront of the pc-desk my concentration starts to drop, I'm not able to think longer then 3-4 minutes before I distract myself with surfing the internet while playing or walking to the kitchen etc. This attitude sneaked in when I hit Shodan. I thought that it'd be a general problem but strangely enough my reallife-tournamentresults are still good, I can truly sink into the game to the extend that I even dont sense any observers etc. But I cant (anymore) access this kind of concentration when I play online. For the sake of not playing rubish online games and dishonoring my opponent, I stopped playing online a week ago, but I don't know if this will fix my attitude towards onlinegames. Has anyone experienced the same and/or has some tips how to come through this?

Author:	Li Kao [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:07 am ]
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I have that since I hit 30k. And both online and offline. No idea what to do about it.

Author:	topazg [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:08 am ]
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Jonas wrote: Hey folks, after playing the L19-Tournamentgame last friday I noticed that I'm in a real state of online-slump. I don't know why but when I play online I can't concentrate on the game. I thought because of the "seriousness" of the L19-tournament game I'd be able to discard my normal online-playing-mood... but I was wrong. When I start sitting infront of the pc-desk my concentration starts to drop, I'm not able to think longer then 3-4 minutes before I distract myself with surfing the internet while playing or walking to the kitchen etc. This attitude sneaked in when I hit Shodan. I thought that it'd be a general problem but strangely enough my reallife-tournamentresults are still good, I can truly sink into the game to the extend that I even dont sense any observers etc. Ditto on all of this. I went from beating a 3d OTB to losing to a 5k online, and this almost exactly describes why. Enter a big fight that requires reading and I sit there thinking "ah, jeez, I wanted to relax, this is too much like hard work" and starting throwing instinctive stones around while doing something else in another window. Jonas wrote: For the sake of not playing rubish online games and dishonoring my opponent, I stopped playing online a week ago, but I don't know if this will fix my attitude towards onlinegames. Has anyone experienced the same and/or has some tips how to come through this? I don't think it is dishonouring your opponent. You aren't a professional, Go is supposed to be fun - a hobby, something to pick up and drop and enjoy while it lasts. Walking out on an opponent mid-game is rude, but other than that, playing while not concentrating as much as you'd like is entirely your right. If you stop enjoying it, stop playing. If you don't mind playing with less accuracy than you would in a real life tournament and still enjoy the game, play it anyway. Either way, it seems like something not worth stressing about beyond that

Author:	Jonas [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:21 am ]
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Hehe well I think another problem is that I really really hate losing... the result after a short onlinesession (1-2 quick games) most of the time is, that I'm really angry at myself for losing a won game because of playing travian (a browsergame) or watching TV in another window... But everytime I sat down and intend to play a serious game I end up with talking to my girlfriend on the phone while playing or something Maybe a break is the right decision (ofc I'll continue the L19-tournament)

Author:	topazg [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:24 am ]
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Jonas wrote: Hehe well I think another problem is that I really really hate losing... the result after a short onlinesession (1-2 quick games) most of the time is, that I'm really angry at myself for losing a won game because of playing travian (a browsergame) or watching TV in another window... Travian killed two weeks of my life. No way could I do that again, silly Teutons and their ways...

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Author:	entropi [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:12 am ]
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This may sound stupid but works at least for me. When I play online I make every other move with my left hand. This helps me avoiding at least some of the over-intuitive no-thinking-just-clicking kind of moves. Edit: Well, to be honest this also has something to do with my symmetry obsession problem

Author:	daniel_the_smith [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:50 am ]
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This disease strikes me randomly. OT: mad props for helel's avatar.

Author:	usagi [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:14 am ]
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Jonas wrote: Hey folks, [...] For the sake of not playing rubish online games and dishonoring my opponent, I stopped playing online a week ago, but I don't know if this will fix my attitude towards onlinegames. Has anyone experienced the same and/or has some tips how to come through this? Hi. Yeah I've gotten into slumps before, especially online where you can play a dozen games in one sitting. When I find myself playing like this there are a few things I try. Level one, is I play with or without music. With music, I try different music. Energetic, Hip Hop, Dance, or Chinese Classical music. Or no music at all. Level two, when I'm really desperate, I keep a goban near me and I play the game out on the goban in real life. Needless to say this doesn't work with blitz games. Also here is my conclusion that I have learned from painful experience, whenever you are anywhere close to being in a slump, do not play blitz go online.

Author:	fwiffo [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:54 am ]
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I've never had an actually prolonged slump, though I always am very critical of my game, so I sometimes seem like I'm in a perpetual slump. "Well, yes, I won 6 of my last 10 games, but I should not have won several of them because my opponents made mistakes!" If I ever lose two serious games in a row in one day and feel frustrated, I stop playing for a day or two so I don't go on tilt. I don't recall a losing streak longer than four games.

Author:	Bantari [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:55 pm ]
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topazg wrote: Ditto on all of this. I went from beating a 3d OTB to losing to a 5k online, and this almost exactly describes why. Enter a big fight that requires reading and I sit there thinking "ah, jeez, I wanted to relax, this is too much like hard work" and starting throwing instinctive stones around while doing something else in another window. Same here although maybe not quite that extreme. The games are still fun, though. And that's what counts. To me.

Author:	Bantari [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:01 pm ]
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Jonas wrote: Hehe well I think another problem is that I really really hate losing... You should not really be losing more than usual. You play weaker on-line, so your rank is lower, so you play weaker people, so you still win around 50% of your games. All is as it should be, taking correction for your 'condition'. The only way for that to bother you is if you think you should be winning more games than your on-line rank suggests. Or if your on-line rank is inflated and you do lose more than 50% of your games. But this should auto-correct itself with time and more games. Again - all is as it should be. In general, each properly-ranked player should be well accustomed to losing around 50% of his/her games. On-line and off-line.

Author:	Stable [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:37 pm ]
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daniel_the_smith wrote: OT: mad props for helel's avatar. Much Ursula Vernon love.

Author:	fwiffo [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:46 pm ]
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Bantari wrote: In general, each properly-ranked player should be well accustomed to losing around 50% of his/her games. On-line and off-line. Only if you're satisfied with stagnation. If you are improving, even slowly, you should win a little more than 50% of your games.

Author:	Bantari [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:55 pm ]
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fwiffo wrote: Bantari wrote: In general, each properly-ranked player should be well accustomed to losing around 50% of his/her games. On-line and off-line. Only if you're satisfied with stagnation. If you are improving, even slowly, you should win a little more than 50% of your games. True. This is why I said 'around 50%'.

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Author:	judicata [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:31 pm ]
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fwiffo wrote: Bantari wrote: In general, each properly-ranked player should be well accustomed to losing around 50% of his/her games. On-line and off-line. Only if you're satisfied with stagnation. If you are improving, even slowly, you should win a little more than 50% of your games. Often true, but you have to account for statistical variance and sample size. You may play a stretch of games that are disproporationately against players that are also improving fairly rapidly (or under-ranked).

Author:	Exologist [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:00 am ]
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You could try turning off everything but your computer and getting a firewall that blocks internet access to everything except the go server. I sometimes get the same way too, but mostly when playing games on the real board for some reason. My opponent will stop and start seriously reading and I'll mentally sigh wishing he'd just play regularly and keep it fun. xD I suppose that is the downside to getting better at the game, you're serious games take more and more time to read through.

Author:	Harleqin [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:01 am ]
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FlamingMetroidzd wrote: I suppose that is the downside to getting better at the game; you're serious, games take more and more time to read through. I do not think that getting better at the game necessarily means that you are playing more seriously.

Author:	quantumf [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:51 am ]
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topazg wrote: Travian killed two weeks of my life. No way could I do that again, silly Teutons and their ways... Two weeks? Consider yourself lucky. I've lost 9 months to that game. And not just once. And by lost, I mean lost. e.g. waking up at 5am, on a Sunday, to coordinate an attack...that kind of madness. Seriously, if you're playing Travian, stop, or if you're thinking about playing, don't.