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Author: | dfan [ Thu May 10, 2018 7:48 am ] |
Post subject: | How did you solve this problem? |
I am trying to move more carefully-explore-the-tree reading into instinctive knowledge, and your answers to this question would be helpful in figuring out how to do so. Please keep answers in hide tags (at least for now) so other people aren't spoiled. This is generally the first problem in any standard easy-life-and-death problem set for which I have to carefully read and explore the tree, as opposed to a few-second "this move must be right; verify; yep" process. Please solve it yourself now before continuing! Solution: My question for you is: if you solved this problem "on sight", as I do for problems that seem to be considered of similar difficulty, how did you do it? Sample choices: |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu May 10, 2018 9:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How did you solve this problem? |
I did not solve it on sight. The first move that leaped out at me was wrong. ![]() |
Author: | Knotwilg [ Thu May 10, 2018 9:58 am ] |
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I can tell you how my systematic approach works: How I "see" it, which I actually did, I think I instantly see the last diagram in the above hidden box. I do not see the 2nd of those diagrams and I usually don't check, because even if that would work too, the solution leaves less aji. Edit: continuing with the systematic approach. |
Author: | dfan [ Thu May 10, 2018 10:16 am ] |
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Many thanks already to Bill and Knotwilg for their generosity of time and diagrams ![]() Bill: Knotwilg: |
Author: | Knotwilg [ Thu May 10, 2018 10:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How did you solve this problem? |
BTW, here is the same approach with the first problem in the hitachi series |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu May 10, 2018 11:03 am ] |
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dfan wrote: Many thanks already to Bill and Knotwilg for their generosity of time and diagrams ![]() Bill: Quote: Knotwilg: |
Author: | dfan [ Thu May 10, 2018 11:21 am ] |
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Bill: |
Author: | Ian Butler [ Thu May 10, 2018 11:47 am ] |
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dfan wrote: Bill: |
Author: | dfan [ Thu May 10, 2018 12:28 pm ] |
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Ian Butler wrote: |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu May 10, 2018 12:52 pm ] |
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dfan wrote: Bill: My reply is embedded. |
Author: | swannod [ Thu May 10, 2018 12:58 pm ] |
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dfan wrote: I am trying to move more carefully-explore-the-tree reading into instinctive knowledge, and your answers to this question would be helpful in figuring out how to do so. Please keep answers in hide tags (at least for now) so other people aren't spoiled. At least in my own practice I've decided being able to read quickly and accurately is more useful. Even if you believe you've found the only move, being able to quickly verify seems essential to me as these kinds of situations can make or break a game. |
Author: | Pio2001 [ Thu May 10, 2018 2:21 pm ] |
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Hi Dfan, |
Author: | EdLee [ Thu May 10, 2018 3:25 pm ] |
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Hi Dan, |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: How did you solve this problem? |
Intuitivly I checked the correct move in the first the place, but I dismissed it immediatly, while still in the intuitive phase. I returned to the correct move during reading (Which I always do after selecting candidate moves intuitivly) and realized it is indeed the solution. I recommend playing lots of games and review them carefully. Much more fun than doing problems for me. (Although I do problems regulary on my phone when I have some time at my hand during the day.) I improved my intuition for shortage of liberties and squeezing situations (among other tactical aspects) a lot after I encountered them again and again as missed opportunities during my self reviews. Intuition is important, but dont pray and play. Intuition has always be to backed up by reading! It is a trap to play strictly intuitive that will hold you back. (The key to better play is not to substitute careful reading with intuition. The key is the combination of better and faster reading with better and faster intuition. Stick to haengma and never play creative(=bare intuitive) moves by the way ![]() (When I play weaker opponents they frequently make moves I whould shrug off at first sight (wrong place or wrong timing), this is the place for intuition, to sort out the clear mistakes) |
Author: | Kirby [ Thu May 10, 2018 6:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: How did you solve this problem? |
Choice #3. Since I knew it was a problem, I knew that getting an eye would be one way to live. I recognize the shape to see that your white 2 doesn't work. What wasn't immediate was whether that way was the ONLY way to live. There are two other first moves that looked to have a chance of working, but it wasn't clear since they didn't produce a "clean" eye. In a real game, I don't know it's a problem so it's slightly harder. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu May 10, 2018 6:22 pm ] |
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Gomoto wrote: I recommend playing lots of games and review them carefully. I second that. ![]() |
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