I'm not a big fan of replaying professional (or high dan) games, I've done my share in the past and didn't find it very appealing.
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
Hi everyone! After a long hiatus (2 years, if I don't count a game a year ago), I'm again playing. Two years ago I rose (for a short while) to KGS 6k, currently I guess I'm in the upper 8 (rank still unsettled in KGS). I started reading my copy of TDoP a few weeks ago, and find it a little dry. Now I wonder what would be best for my return to playing:
Working with TDoP Re-reading Lessons in the fundamentals (read it many times in the past) I'm doing tsumego daily, thus a book on the subject is so far not high on my list, but if you have a good recommendation, go on. Thanks, and see you around here and in KGS |
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| Author: | Sverre [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
If you are coming back from a hiatus then rereading Attack and Defense might be a good idea. If you find the Direction of play boring then you certainly shouldn't try to force yourself to read it. You might also consider studying some professional games, or watching high dan players online. Have you read Invincible yet? |
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
I'm not a big fan of replaying professional (or high dan) games, I've done my share in the past and didn't find it very appealing. Trondheim! Close: I'm going to Trømso (and Oslo and Bergen) a few days next year Skål! |
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| Author: | OtakuViking [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
I think the direction of play is for about 2-3k players but not sure, haven't read it. I can recommend studying tesuji and tsumego. And re-reading attack and defense is ofc a good idea but maybe also a book on the opening? |
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
I've read In the beginning in the past, a re-read is oc in the near future, but I didn't think about reading it just know... |
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| Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
Attack and Defense. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:06 am ] |
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Fundamentals. Always fundamentals, regardless of the game/sport/profession. |
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:10 am ] |
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Joaz, do you mean I should re-read LitF? Or study fundamentals like Tesuji? |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:57 am ] |
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Even I feel overwhelmed when reading The Direction of Play. Though I guess even if you don't get anything else out of it it's still worthwhile to get the idea that every move is important and shouldn't be cast on the board carelessly. Good luck with that book. Doing tsumego daily like you say you're doing is a very good idea, I always improve fastest when I'm doing frequent tsumego instead of just focusing on games. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:14 pm ] |
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RBerenguel wrote: do you mean I should re-read LitF? Or study fundamentals like Tesuji? The latter. At this level, the most important things are our fundamentals/basics:basic tesuji, basic L&D, basic shapes, basic contact fight, basic capture race, etc. Re-reading LitF is OK, no problem, but we still need the 10,000 hours of basics. |
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| Author: | cyclops [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:03 am ] |
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LitF, WTF, is that? |
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| Author: | Knotwilg [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:15 am ] |
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The problem with "Lessons in the fundamentals" is that, while being a joy to read, it doesn't address the fundamentals in a very fundamental way. Therefore, (re)reading the three most fundamental books of the elementary series, "Life & death", "Tesuji" and "Attack and defense" probably does more to one's grasp of the fundamentals. Otherwise, the best article on fundamentals I have ever read is "Haengma tutorial for beginners" by Minue on Sensei's Library. Incidentally, I don't think a playing break necessitates rereading books. It mostly requires playing again. A book helps those who are playing often but lack an instrument for improvement. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:15 am ] |
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RBerenguel wrote: Joaz, do you mean I should re-read LitF? Or study fundamentals like Tesuji? I meant it in the most basic sense, that one should continually review the fundamentals of the game. IOW, there is nothing so basic that one should not review it every once in a while. That means practicing reading ladders, getas, etc, regardless of which book you find them in. |
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:23 am ] |
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@Cyclops: I was being a little cryptic to save some writing: LiTF=Lessons in the fundamentals (of Go), i.e. Kageyama's book. @Knotwilg: I know the most important is playing, but I have too little at-home time to play (or more precisely: there are more urgent and important moves in these time slots), so most of my go time is only available while on my commute, where reading tsumego/tesuji or some book on game theory suits pretty well. @Joaz: That's what I thought you were implying. For now I'm training this with Cho's Encyclopedia of LD and I borrowed Li Chang'Ho's Tesuji books, I've had a look at the first ~15 from the first volume, it's almost refreshing after so much killing. Thanks everyone for your answers! Seems pretty clear my non-playing time should be A&D mixed with tesuji and tsumego. And playing more, I know, but time is scarce for this, unless I play Igowin HD (The Many Faces of Go for iPad) :/ |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:36 am ] |
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There is also Crazy Stone for the iPad. I'm not sure how good IgowinHD is, but Crazy Stone may be stronger/more interesting. |
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:53 am ] |
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Hi hyperpape, I have Crazy Stone for iPhad, in fact I even wrote a review (here: http://www.whatsoniphone.com/champion-g ... k-playing/ ). Igowin HD has the advantage of auto-adjusting level, thus in the current setting plays slightly faster than Crazy Stone (probably I'm setting CS at too high a level). But from my 9x9 games, Crazy Stone looks tactically stronger than Igowin HD. In other words, both games are very (very) good... I'm just playing Igowin HD for the moment, while enjoying medal mode in Crazy Stone when I want something more fun. |
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| Author: | Codexus [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
As a former KGS 6k coming back from a hiatus myself my training program so far for my first weekend has been watching the Hikaru no Go anime again (1/3rd done already) and watching the tournament on eurogotv.  But I plan to read Attack & Defense soon. Also tsumego (go through the graded go problems 2-4 again + some others). And I keep a KGS+ account and a audio go lessons subscription so I have enough video lectures to last a lifetime. Now I just need to actually start playing again 
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
 we are in the same timezone, maybe we can play
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| Author: | Codexus [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:04 pm ] |
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Sure, I've added you to my buddy list so that I can see if you're on KGS 
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| Author: | RBerenguel [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Direction of Play or Attack and Defense? |
Added you back
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