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Author: | speedchase [ Mon May 14, 2012 5:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
NeoNemesis wrote: According to http://ranka.intergofed.org/, it seems like a slight clock malfunction which confused both players until the clock ran out of time. My apologies to the American representative. I wonder how often this happens in the WAGC. They should use better clocks if this happens too often. The officials decided that there was no clock malfunction, but rather that he just ran out of time. |
Author: | Laman [ Tue May 15, 2012 12:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
i've heard (from report by Lukáš Podpěra) that after the confusion Nakazono actually pushed his clock few seconds before the end of the period, but the clock wouldn't respond and announced the time loss. i can't tell what had really happened, just wanted to share another version of the events i am only familiar with the ing clock, but for them it is truth that i occasionaly have to push them twice in order for them to take a notice. luckily never happened in such a time trouble to cause me to lose. it shows an advantage of DGT style clock over the clock with buttons. once you push them, it is obvious either way, the moral of the story is that you should never resign and sometimes it earns you a win regardless of the situation on the board |
Author: | HermanHiddema [ Tue May 15, 2012 1:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
Standings after round 5: From the reports at Ranka I gather that the Moroccan player is a no show, but he is paired each round, so all those results are forfeits. |
Author: | HermanHiddema [ Tue May 15, 2012 4:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
Standings after round 6. Now with the official ranks, short country codes and all names converted to have last name first, with a comma behind it where appropriate. Sorting is now according to the official rules (SOS, SOS without first round, SOS without first two rounds, etc). All games against the absent Moroccan player are listed as 0+, and the Moroccan player has all his games listed as 0-. EDIT: Gave Colin his uppercase S and extra e |
Author: | Xaos [ Tue May 15, 2012 5:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
Where are you getting the SGFs? I was looking for the Chile-Brazil game to share with the Brazil FB group. Thanks. |
Author: | mw42 [ Tue May 15, 2012 5:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
A selection of the kifu can be found here: http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/worldama/33/e/kifu.html. The Chile-Brazil game is not listed. I don't know if there is a more comprehensive source. |
Author: | dankenzon [ Tue May 15, 2012 7:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
More than a selection of kifu is a selection of games. In Japan they've been putting 8 computers to transmit some games and have the policy of "try to transmit at least one game from every participant". Obviously they always put attention to the top favorites, but if China is about to play a low-dan they don't transmit that one and prefer a fighted 1dan-1dan game of players that didn't have a chance to be seen online. In China they only put 4 tables: one for China, one for the South Korea and the matches of the other 2 top classified players. Differente places, different philosophy You can compare: http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html So, we depend on the memory of the each of the other player to think about any extra kifu. And I think we won't see the game Brasil-Chile but in photos |
Author: | Xaos [ Tue May 15, 2012 8:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
dankenzon wrote: More than a selection of kifu is a selection of games. In Japan they've been putting 8 computers to transmit some games and have the policy of "try to transmit at least one game from every participant". Obviously they always put attention to the top favorites, but if China is about to play a low-dan they don't transmit that one and prefer a fighted 1dan-1dan game of players that didn't have a chance to be seen online. In China they only put 4 tables: one for China, one for the South Korea and the matches of the other 2 top classified players. Differente places, different philosophy You can compare: http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html So, we depend on the memory of the each of the other player to think about any extra kifu. And I think we won't see the game Brasil-Chile but in photos understandable.. but some guys from a brazil go group on face asked about it, so i figured i'd try here.. thanks all the same.. |
Author: | Javaness2 [ Tue May 15, 2012 10:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
He-he I wasn't suggested he (Japanese 8d) was breaking any rules - I was saying double handed play is breaking the rules. Now I've read about what happened, there is scope for saying that this smelt a bit. It could well be a case of Japan thought they pressed the clock after their move- but didn't, USA then plays, tries to press the clock. Obviously you can't press the clock twice, so it does nothing. Then Japan runs out of time. If I notice somebody hasn't pressed their clock, I do generally tell them, because it is the nice thing to do. Anyway, I have no idea what happened, I just hope the referee did. NeoNemesis wrote: It's a good point, but since the game is almost over, why not just finish it. The Japanese guy is an older gentleman. He may be less familiar or forgetful when it comes to clocks. I don't think he was deliberately breaking the rules. My opponents in real life tournaments often forget to press their clocks. Sometimes even I do. Of course, I wasn't there, so it's hard to say what actually happened in regards to time. What's unquestionable is what is on the board. I think anyone with a basic knowledge of go can win that game in the Japanese player's position.
I don't know and it's completely the American's right to take the victory. I just believe it's good sportsmanship to finish a game that's almost done. |
Author: | Javaness2 [ Tue May 15, 2012 10:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
Herman, I think your script doesn't handle Mac / Mc names properly? Colin MacSweeney is correct. |
Author: | HermanHiddema [ Tue May 15, 2012 12:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
Javaness2 wrote: Herman, I think your script doesn't handle Mac / Mc names properly? Colin MacSweeney is correct. Ah yes, it does a very simple conversion from the ranka tables, just lowercasing everything but the first letter. I've fixed it. |
Author: | dankenzon [ Tue May 15, 2012 10:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
Quite interesting fight between North Corea (Black) and China (White) from the very beginning!! in a very complex and recent variation of the three space pincer after a keima approach on a 3-4 point! It's sad that the game was won by time for China! |
Author: | sorin [ Tue May 15, 2012 10:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
dankenzon wrote: Quite interesting fight between North Corea (Black) and China (White) from the very beginning!! in a very complex and recent variation of the three space pincer after a keima approach on a 3-4 point! It's sad that the game was won by time for China! The Chinese player was comfortably ahead though, so it doesn't make a difference in this case. It was very bad for the Japan-USA game, where the time forfeit reverted the result on the board. |
Author: | HermanHiddema [ Wed May 16, 2012 1:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
After round 7: |
Author: | HermanHiddema [ Wed May 16, 2012 4:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
Final result: Code: 1 Qiao Zhijian 7d CN 8 45 16+ 9+ 19+ 4+ 3+ 2+ 5+ 10+
2 Lee, Hyunjoon 4d KR 7 41 50+ 37+ 8+ 23+ 5+ 1- 6+ 3+ 3 Chen Cheng_Hsun 7d TW 6 45 35+ 21+ 7+ 12+ 1- 10+ 4+ 2- 4 Chan Chi_Hin 6d HK 6 42 38+ 13+ 24+ 1- 7+ 9+ 3- 20+ 5 Ri Kwang_Hyok 6d KP 6 41 52+ 6+ 31+ 11+ 2- 21+ 1- 15+ 6 Balogh, Pal 6d HU 6 40 28+ 5- 25+ 17+ 14+ 22+ 2- 9+ 7 Kuronen, Juri 5d FI 6 37 48+ 30+ 3- 13+ 4- 27+ 21+ 11+ 8 Nakazono, Seizoh 8d JP 6 37 15+ 29+ 2- 21- 12+ 33+ 22+ 32+ 9 Lou Yuxiang 5d SG 5 43 45+ 1- 16+ 19+ 11+ 4- 13+ 6- 10 Teuber, Benjamin 6d DE 5 40 42+ 12- 27+ 15+ 18+ 3- 23+ 1- 11 Burzo, Gheorghe_Cornel 6d RO 5 39 25+ 34+ 22+ 5- 9- 12+ 14+ 7- 12 Podpera, Lukas 5d CZ 5 39 18+ 10+ 23+ 3- 8- 11- 26+ 21+ 13 Do Khanh_Binh 2d VN 5 36 44+ 4- 38+ 7- 16+ 29+ 9- 24+ 14 Rasmussen, Jannik_Lundgaard 4d DK 5 36 33+ 19- 46+ 28+ 6- 18+ 11- 22+ 15 Saechen Panjawat 4d TH 5 35 8- 39+ 37+ 10- 43+ 25+ 17+ 5- 16 Metta, Carlo 3d IT 5 35 1- 45+ 9- 34+ 13- 48+ 38+ 25+ 17 Campagnie, Rémi 5d FR 5 34 22- 40+ 33+ 6- 28+ 24+ 15- 29+ 18 Li_Longyang, 5d NZ 5 34 12- 42+ 26+ 24+ 10- 14- 27+ 23+ 19 Chan Kouk_Wang 5d MO 5 33 0+ 14+ 1- 9- 25- 39+ 34+ 28+ 20 Popov, Jigor 5d RU 5 32 23- 27- 42+ 35+ 26+ 30+ 37+ 4- 21 Zhou Yuan 7d US 4 41 36+ 3- 32+ 8+ 30+ 5- 7- 12- 22 Lisy Pavol 5d SK 4 38 17+ 47+ 11- 31+ 29+ 6- 8- 14- 23 Matoh Leon 5d SI 4 36 20+ 26+ 12- 2- 50+ 41+ 10- 18- 24 Li Xianyu 6d CA 4 35 41+ 32+ 4- 18- 38+ 17- 30+ 13- 25 Zaid Waqi 4d MY 4 35 11- 51+ 6- 45+ 19+ 15- 33+ 16- 26 Lopez_Herrero, Eduardo 5d AR 4 33 27+ 23- 18- 44+ 20- 31+ 12- 41+ 27 Li, Martin 5d SE 4 33 26- 20+ 10- 55+ 32+ 7- 18- 46+ 28 Götzfried, Andreas_M 4d LU 4 33 6- 52+ 34+ 14- 17- 44+ 40+ 19- 29 Eerbeek, Alexander 5d NL 4 32 39+ 8- 53+ 43+ 22- 13- 31+ 17- 30 Aitken, Samuel 4d UK 4 31 49+ 7- 36+ 41+ 21- 20- 24- 39+ 31 Spiegel, Lothar 4d AT 4 30 43+ 46+ 5- 22- 39+ 26- 29- 37+ 32 Paunic, Dragan 2d BA 4 29 54+ 24- 21- 53+ 27- 36+ 41+ 8- 33 Suponeu, Aliaksandr 1d BY 4 29 14- 0+ 17- 47+ 40+ 8- 25- 42+ 34 Tome, Daniele 3d PT 4 28 51+ 11- 28- 16- 55+ 43+ 19- 38+ 35 Acuna_Silva Carlos_Andre 3d CO 4 28 3- 36- 54+ 20- 49+ 38- 48+ 47+ 36 Sannes, Pål_Harald 4d NO 4 27 21- 35+ 30- 37+ 41- 32- 49+ 40+ 37 Stankovic, Mijodrag 5d RS 3 33 53+ 2- 15- 36- 47+ 46+ 20- 31- 38 Mazille, Félicien 1d CH 3 33 4- 44+ 13- 49+ 24- 35+ 16- 34- 39 Carles_Ramon, Pau 3d ES 3 30 29- 15- 50+ 42+ 31- 19- 43+ 30- 40 Leuner, John 2d ZA 3 28 47- 17- 52+ 46+ 33- 45+ 28- 36- 41 Gonze, François 4d BE 3 28 24- 54+ 49+ 30- 36+ 23- 32- 26- 42 Petrauska, Albertas 1d LT 3 28 10- 18- 20- 39- 54+ 51+ 53+ 33- 43 Mutabzija, Zoran 5d HR 3 26 31- 55+ 47+ 29- 15- 34- 39- 50+ 44 Karaerkek, Kerek 2d TR 3 26 13- 38- 48+ 26- 51+ 28- 46- 49+ 45 Regginos, Demetris 1d CY 3 26 9- 16- 51+ 25- 48- 40- 54+ 52+ 46 Bofinger, David 2d AU 3 25 55+ 31- 14- 40- 53+ 37- 44+ 27- 47 MacSweeney, Colin 1k IE 3 25 40+ 22- 43- 33- 37- 50+ 52+ 35- 48 Cajiao, Luis 2d CR 3 25 7- 49- 44- 0+ 45+ 16- 35- 51+ 49 Larios_Sanchez, Salvador 2d MX 2 26 30- 48+ 41- 38- 35- 53+ 36- 44- 50 Prem, Nadeen 3d BR 2 25 2- 53- 39- 52+ 23- 47- 55+ 43- 51 Tahirbayov, Bahadur_Bayram 6d AZ 2 22 34- 25- 45- 54+ 44- 42- 0+ 48- 52 Fang Xiaoyan 3d CN 2 22 5- 28- 40- 50- 0+ 55+ 47- 45- 53 Perez_Caceres, Leslie 4k CL 2 21 37- 50+ 29- 32- 46- 49- 42- 0+ 54 Ivanov, Ivan 3k BG 2 20 32- 41- 35- 51- 42- 0+ 45- 55+ 55 Shartologoi, Bayarjargal 4d MN 1 20 46- 43- 0+ 27- 34- 52- 50- 54- 56 Ja, Ismail 7k MA 0 21 0- 0- 0- 0- 0- 0- 0- 0- |
Author: | NeoNemesis [ Wed May 16, 2012 2:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
Thanks for your updates HermanHiddema! Very much appreciated. And wow, Taiwan did very well this year. Very impressed at the little kid's performance. Before the WAGC began, I was looking forward to how the youngest player in the WAGC would do. I look forward to how he'll do in the future WAGC events. Btw, anyone know why Korea decided to rank their rep as a 4d? Call me skeptical, but there's no way that guy's only 4d. |
Author: | Uberdude [ Wed May 16, 2012 3:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
A 4d in 2nd place and 2nd-to-last place, how symmetrical! I heard something vague about how in Korea 4d is a sort of modest default rank for strong players if they haven't got anything officially higher. |
Author: | oren [ Wed May 16, 2012 3:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
I just noticed there's no representative from Israel. Anyone know why? |
Author: | kostuek [ Wed May 16, 2012 5:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4A0zm6bdgOBMlFUbEZtSkgwNkk If anyone needs the results as PDF... |
Author: | kivi [ Thu May 17, 2012 4:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012 |
oren wrote: I just noticed there's no representative from Israel. Anyone know why? I remember seeing Ali Jabarin on the participant page just 1-2 day before the rounds start. |
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