Life In 19x19 :: Need go advice for 1dan seeking opening level up

Ignore every piece of advice anyone who is not demonstrably five stones stronger than you gives you. ⁽¹⁾⁽²⁾

My teacher also says that my opening is my biggest weakness but he has no suggestions other than;
1. Improve life and death
2. Study(like reeeaaaally study) joseki
3. Memorize pro games(not study)

Through the complete combination, he says you will have some moments of enlightenment.

This seems like a study regimen for children's minds and most of his work in Korea was with very strong children. Anyway, he said that he doesn't know a different way for adults.

Who is your teacher?

Kirby wrote:

Who is your teacher?

He's a baduk professor from Myongji. In the states consulting with our university for AI research.

He's a really good teacher!

Neat, thanks. You're lucky to have such a resource.

By the way, when you say "reeeaaaally study" joseki, you mean to understand all variations, trick plays, etc., for a given joseki?

My teacher also says that my opening is my biggest weakness but he has no suggestions other than;...
This seems like a study regimen for children's minds and most of his work in Korea was with very strong children.
Anyway, he said that he doesn't know a different way for adults.

"Ignore other people's advice. Now take this advice and ignore it."

emerus wrote:

emerus, I'm curious -- if you don't know the answers, that's OK, too --
( My understanding is that in China and Korea, most or all the pros' teaching experience
is with children, especially high-dan children; they have very little to almost zero experience
teaching Go to adults. In Japan, the situation may be different. )

How much experience does your teacher have with teaching Go to adults? ( Very little or none; medium; or extensive ? From what you wrote, I'm guessing he has very little experience teaching adults in Korea; but perhaps he has more experience teaching Go to adults outside of Korea ? )
If it's very little or none, then we may not know the relevance of his suggested study regimen for children when applied to adults.
If it's medium or extensive, and he still does not know other methods for adults, then what's his "success experience" when teaching adults?
emerus, I don't know your age range, but if you are an adult, and your teacher has very little experience teaching Go to adults, then perhaps a second opinion would be interesting -- perhaps other pros with extensive experience with adult students may have a different assessment of whether your opening is your biggest weakness -- perhaps they would evaluate that your opening is not your biggest weakness, but something else is.

Author:	Bala [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:20 am ]
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Some pro told me my opening needs a lot of improvement. What books are good for that and what other training method work to improve my opening?

Author:	Uberdude [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:36 am ]
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http://senseis.xmp.net/?ADictionaryOfMo ... oreanStyle

Author:	Loons [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:36 pm ]
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Don't play moves just to be crazy. Use joseki dictionaries. Ignore every piece of advice anyone who is not demonstrably five stones stronger than you gives you. Disclaimer: I am filing this under "training method".

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:30 am ]
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Quote: Ignore every piece of advice anyone who is not demonstrably five stones stronger than you gives you. ⁽¹⁾⁽²⁾ Except for all the exceptions. Whenever we make any generalized blanket statement about practically anything about Go -- proverbs, tesujis, directions, fighting, etc., or anything about how to teach, how to improve, how to study (e.g. who to listen to, and who not to listen to) -- we're in trouble. Because in Go, the exceptions are the rule (except when they aren't!). Kyu people, even beginners, sometimes have good advice; sometimes, they also have bad advice. Some pros give good advice. Some pros give bad advice. Even the same pro can give both good and bad advice. One very tricky thing is to figure out who to listen to, regardless of their Go levels. (The smart thing is to take all the good advice, even from a beginner; and ignore all the bad advice, even from a pro. -- This is the difficult part to accomplish.) ⁽¹⁾ An image of antibiotics came to mind -- (another blanket approach) sure, they kill some of the bad cells, but they also kill many of your good ones! ⁽²⁾ Ironically, isn't this self-referential?

Author:	snorri [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:31 pm ]
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Did you get a chance to ask the pro what to do about it?

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Author:	emerus [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:47 pm ]
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My teacher also says that my opening is my biggest weakness but he has no suggestions other than; 1. Improve life and death 2. Study(like reeeaaaally study) joseki 3. Memorize pro games(not study) Through the complete combination, he says you will have some moments of enlightenment. This seems like a study regimen for children's minds and most of his work in Korea was with very strong children. Anyway, he said that he doesn't know a different way for adults.

Author:	SmoothOper [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:04 pm ]
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I think that is the sort of advice that would probably be true for just about anyone. Like, "hey why don't work on your opening.", unlike tsumego, which only gets prescribed to weak kyu players.

Author:	Kirby [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:53 pm ]
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emerus wrote: My teacher also says that my opening is my biggest weakness but he has no suggestions other than; 1. Improve life and death 2. Study(like reeeaaaally study) joseki 3. Memorize pro games(not study) Through the complete combination, he says you will have some moments of enlightenment. This seems like a study regimen for children's minds and most of his work in Korea was with very strong children. Anyway, he said that he doesn't know a different way for adults. Who is your teacher?

Author:	emerus [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:11 pm ]
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Kirby wrote: Who is your teacher? He's a baduk professor from Myongji. In the states consulting with our university for AI research. He's a really good teacher!

Author:	Kirby [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:19 pm ]
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emerus wrote: Kirby wrote: Who is your teacher? He's a baduk professor from Myongji. In the states consulting with our university for AI research. He's a really good teacher! Neat, thanks. You're lucky to have such a resource. By the way, when you say "reeeaaaally study" joseki, you mean to understand all variations, trick plays, etc., for a given joseki?

Author:	emerus [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:46 pm ]
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Kirby wrote: Neat, thanks. You're lucky to have such a resource. By the way, when you say "reeeaaaally study" joseki, you mean to understand all variations, trick plays, etc., for a given joseki? The variations and many deviations, the follow-ups, and direction of play. The main thing I've learned from him(besides how to love tsumego) is how much there is to study simply from joseki. It's such an extensive resource to tap into.

Author:	RobertJasiek [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:12 pm ]
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1) For books, see my answer in the books forum. 2) Simply go through many professional games' openings. 3) Although a bit early, if you also want to surpass 3d, learn using influence and thickness well, so that you can fully appreciate such created during the opening.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:09 am ]
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emerus wrote: My teacher also says that my opening is my biggest weakness but he has no suggestions other than;... This seems like a study regimen for children's minds and most of his work in Korea was with very strong children. Anyway, he said that he doesn't know a different way for adults. emerus, I'm curious -- if you don't know the answers, that's OK, too -- ( My understanding is that in China and Korea, most or all the pros' teaching experience is with children, especially high-dan children; they have very little to almost zero experience teaching Go to adults. In Japan, the situation may be different. ) How much experience does your teacher have with teaching Go to adults? ( Very little or none; medium; or extensive ? From what you wrote, I'm guessing he has very little experience teaching adults in Korea; but perhaps he has more experience teaching Go to adults outside of Korea ? ) If it's very little or none, then we may not know the relevance of his suggested study regimen for children when applied to adults. If it's medium or extensive, and he still does not know other methods for adults, then what's his "success experience" when teaching adults? emerus, I don't know your age range, but if you are an adult, and your teacher has very little experience teaching Go to adults, then perhaps a second opinion would be interesting -- perhaps other pros with extensive experience with adult students may have a different assessment of whether your opening is your biggest weakness -- perhaps they would evaluate that your opening is not your biggest weakness, but something else is.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:19 am ]
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Marcel Grünauer wrote: "Ignore other people's advice. Now take this advice and ignore it."

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Author:	Kirby [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:10 pm ]
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EdLee wrote: emerus wrote: My teacher also says that my opening is my biggest weakness but he has no suggestions other than;... This seems like a study regimen for children's minds and most of his work in Korea was with very strong children. Anyway, he said that he doesn't know a different way for adults. emerus, I'm curious -- if you don't know the answers, that's OK, too -- ( My understanding is that in China and Korea, most or all the pros' teaching experience is with children, especially high-dan children; they have very little to almost zero experience teaching Go to adults. In Japan, the situation may be different. ) How much experience does your teacher have with teaching Go to adults? ( Very little or none; medium; or extensive ? From what you wrote, I'm guessing he has very little experience teaching adults in Korea; but perhaps he has more experience teaching Go to adults outside of Korea ? ) If it's very little or none, then we may not know the relevance of his suggested study regimen for children when applied to adults. If it's medium or extensive, and he still does not know other methods for adults, then what's his "success experience" when teaching adults? emerus, I don't know your age range, but if you are an adult, and your teacher has very little experience teaching Go to adults, then perhaps a second opinion would be interesting -- perhaps other pros with extensive experience with adult students may have a different assessment of whether your opening is your biggest weakness -- perhaps they would evaluate that your opening is not your biggest weakness, but something else is. emerus already indicated that his teacher said he didn't know of a different teaching method for adults...

Author:	Bala [ Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:41 am ]
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Thank you to all who have given advice.