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Author:  KenPruitt [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:04 pm ]
Post subject:  This is what most of my games look like.

It's still doing the RECEIVED INVALID GAME DATA for me, so whatever. I give up on it.



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Author:  Kirby [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is what most of my games look like.

I edited your post. When you make the attachment and preview and/or submit, you can right click on it and copy the link there. Use that link in your SGF file.

I personally prefer to manually enter the SGF, but I guess that takes more work.

Author:  karaklis [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Could you elaborate why you resigned? You were leading by more than 100 points...

Author:  KenPruitt [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is what most of my games look like.

karaklis wrote:
Could you elaborate why you resigned? You were leading by more than 100 points...


It didn't feel like it.

Author:  Monadology [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is what most of my games look like.

So what are the features of this game that most of your games share?

A) Sanrensei opening
B) Double sanrensei opening
C) Broken ladders that are played out
D) You resigning early
E) You resigning early when you have a lead.
F) You resigning early when you have a large lead.

Author:  uPWarrior [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Do you realize that you had decided to resign early by move 3?

Author:  skydyr [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Also, black has a ko to live.

Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:10 pm ]
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KenPruitt wrote:
... so whatever. I give up on it.

This may the the root problem - whether in go games or diagrams thereof.

You played better than he did. Why are you giving up on yourself?

Author:  KenPruitt [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
KenPruitt wrote:
... so whatever. I give up on it.

This may the the root problem - whether in go games or diagrams thereof.

You played better than he did. Why are you giving up on yourself?


Like I said. It didn't feel like I was winning or even playing well.

Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:17 pm ]
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Hi Ken, Don't give up. Don't give up on Go or SGF tags. Most importantly, don't give up on yourself. :-|

Author:  Kirby [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:

EdLee wrote:
...


At move 37, there was the comment that the corner is "finished" if we cut here:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O B . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But white will just sacrifice his stones to live:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 2 4 b |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X O O 5 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black 'a', white 'b'.

Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:32 pm ]
Post subject: 

Kirby, thanks. The result is probably still OK for B, and W lives in the corner. Maybe there's a better sequence to kill W completely ?

Author:  Kirby [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: This is what most of my games look like.

EdLee wrote:
Kirby, thanks. The result is probably still OK for B, and W lives in the corner.


Agree.

EdLee wrote:
Maybe there's a better sequence to kill W completely ?


The ladder doesn't seem to work here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . 3 X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . 5 4 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . 6 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but the aji is unsettling. For example, even playing the response above, white can try to get net:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . 5 X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . 7 6 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . 8 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 9 . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So maybe :b2:, above is not great, but it hurts to play another type of move...

Anyway, if we can ignore that, I think with this shape, as in the game, the hane feels promising:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O . 2 4 |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But alas, difficult due to the bad shape:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O . 2 4 |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O X X 0 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O O 7 6 9 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I think the shape might be killable normally, but I don't like the aji on the outside. Maybe there's a killing sequence I am missing, but it seems difficult.

For that reason, I like the result of the suggestion you proposed:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 2 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X . . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black gets sente, and no more aji this way :-)

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