Google event matches in South Korea this October

pookpooi · #1

From the official Hankuk Kiwon (KBA) website schedule page for October-November http://www.baduk.or.kr/info/schedule.asp
(translated by reddit user genra42)
10/03 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 1경기 1국 3rd October - 19:00 KST - Google event match 1st match 1st Round
10/04 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 1경기 2국 4th October - 19:00 KST - Google event match 1st match 2nd Round
10/17 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 1경기 3국 17th October - 19:00 KST - Google event match 1st match 3rd Round
10/18 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 2경기 1국 18th October - 19:00 KST - Google event match 2nd match 1st Round
10/24 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 2경기 2국 24th October - 19:00 KST - Google event match 2nd match 2nd Round
10/25 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 2경기 3국 25th October - 19:00 KST - Google event match 2nd match 3rd Round
10/31 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 3경기 1국 31th October - 19:00 KST - Google event match 3rd match 1st Round
11/01 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 3경기 2국 1st November - 19:00 KST - Google event match 3rd match 2nd Round
11/02 19:00 구글 이벤트대국 3경기 3국 2nd November - 19:00 KST - Google event match 3rd match 3rd Round

AlphaGo isn't mentioned in any announcement (yet) but from the form of the event it looks like exhibition/showdown matches more than usual professional tournament.

Kirby · #2

I tried finding information about this, but haven't had any luck yet. I did notice a post on the DC inside baduk forum (kind of like L19 for korean speakers), where the OP asked about this event. The post was deleted for some reason. I could read the cached question from the google search results, but there weren't any responses from that time.

pookpooi · #3

This could be premature announcement that DeepMind really, really, doesn't want it to happen (like when Yang Jun'an, president of the Chinese Chess Association, announced at the press conference for the World Amateur Go Championship in Wuxi, Jiangsu Province, on Saturday that Ke Jie will take part in the "ultimate Go match between human and AI" with AlphaGo within the year, according to the Xinhua News Agency.)

or it could be a plain casual human matches

Kirby · #4

Not too long before we find out!

xiayun · #5

Given the next two rounds of Samsung Cup will be held on 10/4 and 10/6, this is very unlikely to involve AlphaGo with a top professional player.

idontgetit · #6

but only 16 players are still in it, 2 of which I'm not sure we can call "top". Even accounting for the (probable) fact that they scheduled this before the last few days, there are only 32 possible players.

I mean I would totally call Meng Tailing a "top pro", and would be awesome if he gets to play AlphaGo.

That said, I doubt that alphago has anything to do with this

hyperpape · #7

idontgetit wrote:

I mean I would totally call Meng Tailing a "top pro", and would be awesome if he gets to play AlphaGo.

Until/unless they open AlphaGo to all comers, I suspect that the fact that the first match was against Lee Sedol limits who the next match will be against. My instinct is that the next opponent has to be a world champion, ideally Ke Jie or Park Junghwan. There's intellectual interest in seeing more games against any very strong player, but my guess is that it doesn't match their plan for generating publicity to pick players who can't make a claim to be Lee's (current) equal.

pookpooi · #8

hyperpape wrote:

idontgetit wrote:

I mean I would totally call Meng Tailing a "top pro", and would be awesome if he gets to play AlphaGo.

Until/unless they open AlphaGo to all comers, I suspect that the fact that the first match was against Lee Sedol limits who the next match will be against. My instinct is that the next opponent has to be a world champion, ideally Ke Jie or Park Junghwan. There's intellectual interest in seeing more games against any very strong player, but my guess is that it doesn't match their plan for generating publicity to pick players who can't make a claim to be Lee's (current) equal.

Ideally they'd be Ke Jie, Park Jungwhan and Iyama Yuta, so that all 3 big go countries audience can enjoy but it's just from my dream. I really hope more information will announce with the upcoming AlphaGo commentary games.

idontgetit · #9

Do we know when the AlphaGo commentary is coming out?

hyperpape · **#10**

pookpooi wrote:

Ideally they'd be Ke Jie, Park Jungwhan and Iyama Yuta, so that all 3 big go countries audience can enjoy but it's just from my dream. I really hope more information will announce with the upcoming AlphaGo commentary games.

That would be nice, and the national rivalries might be such that any of those players would generate great interest. But I think there's enough uncertainty about exactly how Iyama stacks up to the other top players that you can argue he shouldn't be next (and I'm one of the less skeptical people about goratings).

pookpooi · **#11**

Sadly Aja Huang doesn't know any detail about the match, so it looks like not only AlphaGo is not involve in this match, but DeepMind is also not participate.

Bonobo · **#12**

pookpooi wrote:

Sadly Aja Huang doesn't know any detail about the match, so it looks like not only AlphaGo is not involve in this match, but DeepMind is also not participate.

This post by Aja Huang from the “computer-go” mailing list is probably what you’re referring to:

Quote:

[..] Is it AlphaGo playing, perhaps with 3 players? Or it is just some event (tournament) which is sponsored by Google?

No, it's not AlphaGo. I don't know any detail of this event.

Yeah, sad it is … but then again, it makes me wonder what that event may be about …

Uberdude · **#13**

Live now on wbaduk there is a broadcast of some event with a title in Korean I can't read and player names "ofAlphaGo" and "ofGod". Maybe some homage to AlphaGo by humans?

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macelee · **#14**

Maybe not very significant. I've just seen another game between 'GodSSKILL' and 'ALPHAGOTM'.

Kirby · **#15**

@Uberdude: The title says, "AlphaGo - Lee Sedol Relay Pair Game 3" (roughly).

Kirby · **#16**

I was curious, so I just googled the match title, and came up with this article from October 9th:
http://sports.khan.co.kr/news/sk_index. ... _id=561601

The title indicates that the event is a commemoration of the AlphaGo - Lee Sedol matchup.

From the article:

Quote:

릴레이 페어대국은 ‘알파고’팀과 ‘신의한수’팀이 대결하는 단체전이다. 팀원은 30세 이하 선수 6명, 31세 이상 선수 4명, 여자선수 2명, 연구생 선수 2명으로 구성됐다.
"The relay pair mtch is a team competition between an 'AlphaGo' team and a 'Hand of God' team. Team members were composed of 6 players at or under the age of 30, 4 players at or over 31, 2 female players, and 2 yunguseng." (roughly)

And also:

Quote:

이 대회는 릴레이대국과 페어대국을 합친 방식으로 벌어진다. 일단 한 대국은 1~120수까지 두어지는 ‘전반전’과 121수부터 대국종료 때까지 두는 ‘후반전’으로 나뉜다. 전반과 후반은 각기 다른 선수가 출전해야 하는데, 경기 중 팀당 1명씩 선
수를 교체하고 3분간 작전타임(1회)을 가질 수 있다.

"This tournament is a way of combining Relay Go and Pair Go. First, a match is split up into moves 1~120 to constitute the 'first half of the game' and moves 121 to the end of the game to constitute the 'second half of the game'. For each of the respective halves of the game, a different player has to play, and during the match, each team can exchange 1 player each, and can also take one 3-minute timeout."

The article later says that the two teams play 9 games, and the team to win 5 games wins.

It's not clear to me from the article what this has to do with AlphaGo, really, except for the team name. Maybe they thought that 'AlphaGo' and 'Hand of God' seemed like good team names. Maybe it's also related to commemoration of the AlphaGo/LeeSedol matchup, I guess.

Another page (http://media.daum.net/m/channel/view/sp ... 9033738260) says this:

Quote:

구글이 후원하고 한국기원이 주최하는 ‘알파고-이세돌 대국기념 릴레이 페어바둑대전’(사진)이 지난 3·4일 바둑TV 스튜디오에서 포문을 열었다.

"The Google-sponsored, Hanguk Kiwon-hosted 'AlphaGo-LeeSedol Match Commemoration Relay Pair Baduk Match' (picture) began last 3rd/4th from the BadukTV Studio." (roughly)

So maybe there was some agreement between Google and the Hanguk Kiwon to hold the event, since Google seems to be involved in sponsoring it.

Bonobo · **#17**

Thanks everybody … the more I read, the more awkward all this looks to me, with a tinge of impoliteness towards the DeepMind team :-?

Am I misintepreting? Is there some culture clash? Am I being oversensitive? Perhaps I’m just just easy to confuse?

yoyoma · **#18**

Bonobo wrote:

Thanks everybody … the more I read, the more awkward all this looks to me, with a tinge of impoliteness towards the DeepMind team :-?

Am I misintepreting? Is there some culture clash? Am I being oversensitive? Perhaps I’m just just easy to confuse?

What's impolite about it? DeepMind donated money to several organizations and charities, including the Korean Baduk Association. The KBA is using that money to fund this and other fun events, commemorating the Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo match.

ETA: You can watch these events in full on their youtube, here is the first episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzpJo5PNeSI

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