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Author:	gaius [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:28 am ]
Post subject:	Guess-the-next-move!
After the great success of dfan's Prokovich game of 2010 (viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1443), I'd like to do another "Guess-the-next-move" thread! So I'll just start one The way it works is: every day I'll post about one or two moves of a professional game, and everyone can suggest variations, speculate on the players, and discuss the meaning of previous moves. If you want me to speed up or slow down, let me know! I picked a game for which I have a very good commentary available, so that I can occasionally drop in a few professional comments when appropriate. To keep it interesting for myself, I did not study the game in depth yet - I only quickly clicked through it to verify whether the fighting is not too ridiculously complicated for amateurs like us. This means that I myself do not know the next moves, so I'll join in the guessing game as well. Oh, I will not tell you who the players are or when the game was played... This is an even game with komi. I'll kickstart the thread with moves 1 to 4. What are the implications? Do you like this opening? Where would you move next? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Moves 1-4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 4 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	daal [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Wow, I entirely missed the prokovitch thread. Looks like a great idea. Here are my first thoughts: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . b . . . . . , . . . . . , 4 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Sverre [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
gaius wrote: This is an even game with komi. I'll kickstart the thread with moves 1 to 4. What are the implications? Do you like this opening? Where would you move next? I think I'd place at one of the circled points. seems like it puts some emphasis on the top side and the open corner is also an obvious focus. The top right corner can afford to wait for at least one move. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Moves 1-4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . B . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . B , . . . . . , . . . . . , 4 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	TMark [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Trouble is, Kombilo finds the game so easily in the GoGoD database. Best wishes.

Author:	gaius [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:33 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
^ Sure, but wouldn't that kind of spoil your own fun? So, just for clarity: if you participate you're not supposed to look up the game in a database! That shouldn't be harder than not viewing hiddens in a Malkovich game, should it?

Author:	daniel_the_smith [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Wow, I would never play 4. I guess taisha won't be next on account of your comment about fighting. If I'm black, I'll take the corner or maybe Q15.

Author:	Solomon [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Moves 1-4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . 5 , . . . . . , . . . . . , 4 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] It's like: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Moves 1-4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . \| $$ \| . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . . . , 4 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	BaghwanB [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Yup. Top left corner for me too. Might as well do 4-4 just to keep the flexibility up. Bruce "Go sit in the..." Young

Author:	Bill Spight [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . 5 , . . . . . , . . . . . , 4 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] is my first choice. I have in effect gotten the first play on the top side in a mukai komoku situation ( vs. , Black plays ). Edit: Only typographical editing.

Author:	Laman [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:56 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
i would just smash there the star point in the remaining empty corner. it makes pretty standard position, so can't be really bad i posted my move because i wanted to join, but i think 4 moves are too few for a move to be significantly better / worse than many alternatives, so personally i would prefer to jump some moves forward so we could make more definite comments

Author:	Dusk Eagle [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Laman wrote: i would just smash there the star point in the remaining empty corner. it makes pretty standard position, so can't be really bad i posted my move because i wanted to join, but i think 4 moves are too few for a move to be significantly better / worse than many alternatives, so personally i would prefer to jump some moves forward so we could make more definite comments Takeo Kajiwara, author of The Direction of Play, would be screaming his lungs out at you . Anyway, my move would have been the 4-4 in the top-left, but after having read Araban's and Bill's posts, I think I like their ideas slightly more than mine.

Author:	Laman [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Dusk Eagle wrote: Takeo Kajiwara, author of The Direction of Play, would be screaming his lungs out at you . Anyway, my move would have been the 4-4 in the top-left, but after having read Araban's and Bill's posts, I think I like their ideas slightly more than mine. not that i wouldn't care about opening. but 4 moves, come on i agree about the 3-4 somewhat better. i was unreasonably worried that white could aggressively respond with immediate kakari. but black would then get important moves on the upper side first (he could choose preferable direction of play), so no troubles

Author:	Dusk Eagle [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Laman wrote: Dusk Eagle wrote: Takeo Kajiwara, author of The Direction of Play, would be screaming his lungs out at you . not that i wouldn't care about opening. but 4 moves, come on "Chapter 3: Move 2 Lost the Game."

Author:	gaius [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Laman, you get your will: two moves in one post! Surely, this position is becoming interesting. Kudos to Daal for being the only one to have . (negative kudos to myself for being late with posting the very first update...) Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Moves 5-6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 5 . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	topazg [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:07 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Moves 5-6 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 5 . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	hyperpape [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
topazg wrote: ... Addict! But do keep posting.

Author:	topazg [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:40 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
hyperpape wrote: topazg wrote: ... Addict! But do keep posting. I know, I'm feeling guilty already If only y'all weren't such addictive people to hang around with!

Author:	Sverre [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c My move 7 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . 7 . . O . . . X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	daniel_the_smith [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
P14.

Author:	tj86430 [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Q14

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