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Fantasy go league: the poll
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Author:  emeraldemon [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:04 pm ]
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Sorry to start a new thread, I think it's the only way to make a poll. Personally I'm leaning towards #3, but I would be happy with any option.
Author:  Jordus [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:01 am ]
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This sounds like a fun concept. Has anyone begun to draft rules for such an event?
Author:  p2501 [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:39 am ]
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Why reinvent the wheel? The concept of Fantasy Leagues is not new.

I would suggest something liek this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmes ... _id=181925
Author:  lindentree [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:53 am ]
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Will the league be based on a selected pro team's results over a year-long period? Or monthly?
With the Chinese and Korean league games being played regularly, I think you could also score points based on a pro's win/loss ratio for minor games. As an example, say I have Tan Xiao or some random Chinese pro and my opponent has Gu Li. Somehow Tan Xiao wins all his city league games, so I get X points for the year, while Gu Li loses all his city league games, but wins the Samsung and also gets X points for the year.
Author:  p2501 [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:58 am ]
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lindentree wrote:
Will the league be based on a selected pro team's results over a year-long period? Or monthly?
With the Chinese and Korean league games being played regularly, I think you could also score points based on a pro's win/loss ratio for minor games. As an example, say I have Tan Xiao or some random Chinese pro and my opponent has Gu Li. Somehow Tan Xiao wins all his city league games, so I get X points for the year, while Gu Li loses all his city league games, but wins the Samsung and also gets X points for the year.

I think thats not how fantasy leagues work (from what I know, please correct me if I'm wrong). Every pro is getting assigned a value reflecting their strength. For example Gu Li could cost 5 points while Tan Xiao would only cost 1 or 2. Every player gets a fixed amount of points to buy a team from. And also the selected teams from players and their selected players are not facing each other off directly - games and their results come from the real world. So one does good in selecting players which get to play often. Players who are in a lot of title leagues in japan would be a good I guess.
Author:  lindentree [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:01 am ]
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I didn't mean that teams directly face off.
Author:  p2501 [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:04 am ]
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lindentree wrote:
I didn't mean that teams directly face off.

When I read your post again I kind of supected I was missunderstanding you. Sorry.
Author:  lindentree [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fantasy go league: the poll
I think the main questions are scoring (number of games played/won, number of tournaments played in) and selecting teams. I agree pros should be valued differently, but the problem is if you give everyone 20 points, and everyone picks the same four pros worth 5 points each. (Gu Li,Kong Jie, Lee Sedol, Iyama Yuta maybe)

Possible solutions:

Draft: A pro can only be drafted by one person but have a random draft order like in fantasy football leagues.
So in the first draft round, Gu Li is drafted first by one person, then Yamashita Keigo is drafted by the next then Lee Changho etc, until everyone has a full team roster.

Bidding system: You can bid in an auction for a certain pro, but say you bid too high for Lee Sedol, you won't have points left to bid for another strong player.

Divisions/playoffs: If you have a lot of people, you can divide the league into divisions. I have no idea how playoffs would work though.
Author:  emeraldemon [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fantasy go league: the poll
p2501 wrote:
Why reinvent the wheel? The concept of Fantasy Leagues is not new.

I would suggest something liek this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmes ... _id=181925


Certainly seems possible. As I understand that thread, each pro may be drafted by everyone, but some pros would cost more. I'm not sure how we would assign points though. One interesting idea from that thread: you also pick an anti-team, where you make points every time they lose!
Author:  emeraldemon [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fantasy go league: the poll
lindentree wrote:
Will the league be based on a selected pro team's results over a year-long period? Or monthly?
With the Chinese and Korean league games being played regularly, I think you could also score points based on a pro's win/loss ratio for minor games. As an example, say I have Tan Xiao or some random Chinese pro and my opponent has Gu Li. Somehow Tan Xiao wins all his city league games, so I get X points for the year, while Gu Li loses all his city league games, but wins the Samsung and also gets X points for the year.



I was thinking something very similar about the Japanese leagues (Kisei, Meijin, Honinbo). I think the more results we can use, the more interesting the league will be. If we include domestic events, I think we should either have rosters for each country (e.g. each player gets 3 Korean pros, 3 Chinese pros, 3 Japanese prose) or try to balance the points some way. You don't want to be forced into picking all pros from one country just because you can get more points from their domestic events.
Author:  p2501 [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:13 pm ]
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I like that participating in the league would encourage one to look more into the professional tournament scene.
Author:  hyperpape [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:50 pm ]
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emeraldemon wrote:
lindentree wrote:
Will the league be based on a selected pro team's results over a year-long period? Or monthly?
With the Chinese and Korean league games being played regularly, I think you could also score points based on a pro's win/loss ratio for minor games. As an example, say I have Tan Xiao or some random Chinese pro and my opponent has Gu Li. Somehow Tan Xiao wins all his city league games, so I get X points for the year, while Gu Li loses all his city league games, but wins the Samsung and also gets X points for the year.



I was thinking something very similar about the Japanese leagues (Kisei, Meijin, Honinbo). I think the more results we can use, the more interesting the league will be. If we include domestic events, I think we should either have rosters for each country (e.g. each player gets 3 Korean pros, 3 Chinese pros, 3 Japanese prose) or try to balance the points some way. You don't want to be forced into picking all pros from one country just because you can get more points from their domestic events.
That sounds very reasonable.
Author:  gogameguru [ Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fantasy go league: the poll
@emeraldemon, I take it you have your heart set on the 'Fantasy' format, rather than the simpler model I suggested in your other thread then?
Author:  emeraldemon [ Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Fantasy go league: the poll
I guess in my mind I was categorizing that as "Each pro may be drafted by everyone". I guess it is different in that you were suggesting picking match results, so you're not bound in any way to a particular pro. Maybe I should add another category to the poll?
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