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Lee Sedol vs Western Pros
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Author:  lovelove [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:06 am ]
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Here's the game.



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Author:  topazg [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:33 am ]
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Looks comfortable ...
Author:  logan [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:08 am ]
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Thank-you for sharing lovelove.

It was a nice, peaceful match.

I would enjoy hearing their thoughts on this game, and how the previous attempted matches, and time in between, may have affected this game.
Author:  lovelove [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:18 am ]
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logan wrote:
It was a nice, peaceful match.

I'd say Lee Sedol didn't want to think too much and (therefore) save his energy, so just make the game easy. I think he can easily win against those western pros until no-komi. 2 handicaps would be even.
Author:  Magicwand [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:29 am ]
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if i dare make comment on this game...
andy's selection of joseki :b11: in the beginning made this game very comfortable for white.
Author:  Twitchy Go [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:32 am ]
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Thanks for sharing lovelove.
Author:  badukJr [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:46 am ]
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If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?
Author:  lovelove [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:58 am ]
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badukJr wrote:
If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?

I think it might be possible to 3 handis, if Lee Sedol plays his best.
Author:  Magicwand [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:21 am ]
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lovelove wrote:
badukJr wrote:
If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?

I think it might be possible to 3 handis, if Lee Sedol plays his best.

i dont think so...
2 stone will give andy advantage IMO.
Author:  lemmata [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:02 am ]
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badukJr wrote:
If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?
Don't worry. Even if that happened, the AGA pro system should not be considered a sham. Remember that the very first Korean and Chinese pros needed to take a couple stones against the top Japanese pros. The AGA pros are just starting out. It is somewhat natural that they are a couple stones weaker than the top player in the world. Baby steps!
Author:  lemmata [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:15 am ]
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Magicwand wrote:
if i dare make comment on this game...
andy's selection of joseki :b11: in the beginning made this game very comfortable for white.
Hi Magicwand. One of Lee Sedol's comments has been posted on go9dan.com. It is very brief:
Lee Sedol wrote:
Black's move 55 seems better to cut at w56. Allowing w to connect at 56 is a pretty significant territorial loss for B and white also gains an eye shape. Black 59 should have been at w60. I think at black 59, Andy was in byo-yomi. The game was still close but B, in byoyomi played some sequence that later w became favorable on board when B resigned. Andy has a good opening, at par with the pros in Korea and China. His mistakes came after he entered byo-yomi but overall, he is much stronger than I had anticipated.
Is there more extensive commentary available elsewhere?
Author:  lovelove [ Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:24 pm ]
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Game 2
Lee vs Gansheng



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Author:  logan [ Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:02 pm ]
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Wow, Lee was relentless that match.
Author:  Uberdude [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:11 am ]
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No need for Lee to release a picture showing he has shot fish in a barrel before.
Author:  EdLee [ Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:40 am ]
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Is there a web page that shows the schedule and dates and times for the rest of these matches? Thanks.
Author:  logan [ Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:22 am ]
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EdLee wrote:
Is there a web page that shows the schedule and dates and times for the rest of these matches? Thanks.

http://www.go9dan.com/Home/Promotion/4
Author:  EdLee [ Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:59 am ]
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Logan, thanks very much.
Author:  Bill Spight [ Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
lovelove wrote:
logan wrote:
It was a nice, peaceful match.

I'd say Lee Sedol didn't want to think too much and (therefore) save his energy, so just make the game easy. I think he can easily win against those western pros until no-komi. 2 handicaps would be even.


Or even three stones. :)
Author:  Bill Spight [ Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:33 am ]
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badukJr wrote:
If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?


No, it would not expose an AGA pro as a sham. 100 years ago it was normal for a 9 dan to give a shodan pro three stones. In a match it would not be impossible for the 9 dan to force a handicap of 4 stones.

These days a normal handicap for a 9 dan to give a shodan pro is 2 stones. But there are 9 dans and 9 dans. Lee Sedol is one of the top few players in the world. Who knows how many stones he could give shodan pros?
Author:  lovelove [ Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:46 am ]
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Game3

Lee vs Taranu



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