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Post #1 Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:56 pm 
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Round of 32:
Date 9/2/13-9/5/13(????)
Place Shanghai
Method Double elimination


Korea; Park Younghoon, Han Woonggyu, Song Taegon, Seo Bongsoo, Oh Jeonga,
Lee Minjin

China; Niu Yutian, Qiu Jun, Li Xuanhao, Lian Xiao, Fan Yunruo, Gu Lingyi, Wu Guangya, Tuo Jiaxi, Shi Yue, Ke Jie, Tang Weixing
Japan; Komatsu Hideki
World: Eric Lui

Seeded;
Korea:Park Junghwan, Kim Jiseok, Lee Sedol, Choi Cheolhan, Cho Hanseung, Kang Dongyoon, Ahn Seongjoon
China:Chen Yaoye, Zhou Rouyang, Gu Li
Japan: Yuki Satoshi, Takao Shinji

Wild card (selected by sponsor): Chang Hao


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Post #2 Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:55 am 
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I would prefer a Japanese player instead of Chang Hao for the sponsor spot. Iyama Yuta would makes things quite interesting.

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:41 pm 
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Lee Minjin(Korea) resigned from Samsung Cup due to upcoming baby delivery(very soon.).

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Post #4 Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:51 am 
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Lee Minjin(Korea) resigned from Samsung Cup due to upcoming baby delivery(very soon.).

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Post #5 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:24 pm 
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In the first round, Lee Sedol 9p lost to Chen Yaoye 9p by time, causing a lot of discussions on Go forums. I've compiled a few diagrams from various sources to show what would happen without the time incidence.

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/36064


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Post #6 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:56 pm 
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Very interesting analysis. Thanks macelee.

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Post #7 Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:18 pm 
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There are some fairly interesting games in round 3.

Seo Bongsoo 9p (Black) vs. Wu Guangya 6p (White) http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/36126

This is the longest ever international game (392 moves) and it has 58 ko captures, which is nearly a record. See http://web.archive.org/web/200810141808 ... ngest.html for reference.

Ke Jie 4p (Black) vs. Choi Cheolhan 9p (White) http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/36122

This game shows that even player as good as Choi cannot possibly settle multiple weak groups.

Now all 38 newly played Samsung Cup games are available at Go4Go: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/tournament/1

There should be 40 in total, but heavily pregnant Lee Minjin abandoned her games.


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Post #8 Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:45 pm 
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For the next round (last 16), the most interesting game is:

AGAIN

Lee Sedol vs Chen Yaoye


Chen revealed his opponent:

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Post #9 Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:02 pm 
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lol, and where is lee sedol at that time? someone snapped his pic?

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Post #10 Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:46 am 
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I thought the fuseki of the Park Yeonghun vs. Niu Yutian game was very interesting:

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[go]$$B Moves 1 to 10
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$$ | . . 7 2 . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A pretty complex fight breaks out involving both pincers at once. I don't know enough joseki to know if these variations are new, but as someone who only really knows the hane-cut variation, they were certainly fun for me to play through.



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Post #11 Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:16 am 
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emeraldemon, this is a quite popular opening. I've seen other examples, such as this one (which I think is even more interesting):

http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/34618/18


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Post #12 Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:31 pm 
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Upcoming schedule,

10/8/13 - round of 16
Lee Sedol vs Chen Yaoye
Ahn Seongjoon vs Gu Li
Qiu Jun vs Gu Lingyi
Park Junghwan vs Zhou Ruiyang
Ke Jie vs Shi Yue
Lian Xiao vs Wu Guangya
Kim Jiseok vs Fan Yunruo
Park Younghun vs Tang Weixing

10/10/13 - round of 8
11/4,11/6,11/7/13 - Semi final(3 games match)
12/10,12/11,12/12/13 - Final

*** All dates are Korean Time.

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Post #13 Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:12 pm 
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10/8/13 - round of 16
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Kim Jiseok defeated Fan Yunruo by resign.

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Park Junghwan defeated Zhou Ruiyang by resign.

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Tang Weixing defeated Park Younghun by resign.

Qiu Jun defeated Gu Lingyi by resign.

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Shi Yue defeated Ke Jie by resugn.

Wu Guangya defeated Lian Xiao by resign.

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Lee Sedol defeated Chen Yaoye by 0.5.

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Ahn Seongjoon defeated Gu Li by resign.


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Post #14 Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:20 am 
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10/10/13 - round of 8
Pairing;
Lee Sedol vs Qiu Jun
Ahn Seongjoon vs Wu Guangya
Park Junghwan vs Shi Yue
Kim Jiseok vs Tang Weixing



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Post #15 Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:09 am 
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10/10/13 - round of 8
Results;
Lee Sedol defeated Qiu Jun by resign.
Wu Guangya defeated Ahn Seongjoon by resign.
Tang Weixing defeated Kim Jiseok by resign.
Shi Yue defeated Park Junghwan by resign.

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Post #16 Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:03 am 
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Thank-you trout : )

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Post #17 Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:16 am 
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11/4,11/6,11/7/13 - Semi final(3 games match)
Pairing for semi final;

Lee Sedol vs Wu Guangya
Tang Weixing vs Shi Yue




12/10,12/11,12/12/13 - Final

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Post #18 Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:58 am 
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Thanks for the dates.

I'll always wonder how month/day/year could become a standard though.

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Post #19 Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:34 am 
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Knotwilg wrote:
I'll always wonder how month/day/year could become a standard though.

Because it's not actually a standard?
According to this wikipedia article, most countries seem to adopt the infinitely more sane day/month/year format, after that comes the reverse but still logical year/month/day format, and trailing far behind comes the esoteric month/day/year format.

This is somewhat reminiscent of the US not using the metric system, or teaching religious "alternatives" to evolution in public schools, or having a significant percentage of climate change denialists in the general population.

These are things unheard of in most other parts of the "civilized world".


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Post #20 Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:38 pm 
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On 2013 October 12th I was reminded that the typical programmer attitude towards dates is extremely myopic because we need to distinguish all of the following:

  1. Expressing dates in ordinary speech or most forms of writing intended for humans to read
  2. Writing times that are only going to be read by people who share a background that makes them expect the same format
  3. Writing times in a context where readers of unknown backrounds might encounter them
  4. Writing textual times with the expectation that they're going to be parsed by machines, either because they're somehow structured data (XML, HTML, etc), or because you're expecting natural language processing to happen
  5. Storing time based data for future access.

ISO-8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) is only relevant to 4, and maybe 5 (I don't think it's relevant to 5, but maybe I'm missing something).

If you don't know your audience's background, they'll probably figure out ISO-8601, but you still probably shouldn't use it, because it's less obvious than October 12, 2013.* It also degrades poorly, since some dates don't need a year.

Obviously, if you know that all your users share a common background, you'll write dates in the way they find most comfortable.

For ordinary verbal and written dates, you just say "October 12th" in (American?) English, or "le 12 Octobre" in French. If you think that actual French and English people walking around are saying dates wrong, you are high as a kite. Aside from the real issue that you probably can't get people to change how they talk, I'll repeat my earlier point: most dates that are spoken, texted or emailed do not require a year.

One day, I'll really have to write this up more formally.

* (or 12 October, 2013--looks strange to me, even after signing my checks that way for a few years, but it might float your boat, and I won't be put out)

Edit: I realize that this only applies when you know that your readers can speak English. There's a good case for ISO-8601 for things like expiration dates, where it's important that dates be recognizable without linguistic competence.

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