Bill Spight wrote:
TelegraphGo wrote:
1) KataGo suggests that there is only one best move and every other move is at least 1 point worse.
I take it you mean 1 board point, not 1 percentage point.

Yes, 1 "real" point.
gennan wrote:
For human players (with limited abilities compared to AI), there are other things to consider when faced with a choice like this in a real game, such as:
- How confident are you about reading deeply and accurately?
- How good is your positional judgement?
- How do you feel about your endgame ability?
- How much time do you have left?
Before diving into such a reading challenge in a real game, you may consider these things and ask yourself if you really need to play the sharpest and most risky variation. If you're clearly leading the game with a more cautious, simple variation, then that's probably your wisest choice.
These human psychological concerns are exactly why I chose to start with a problem where backing off would leave me slightly behind, but going for it (with good reading) would leave me comfortably ahead.
I hope that this thread will be a place where we can briefly step away from asking these excellent questions that help us win games at our level more often. Instead my goal is to ambitiously study "flawless fighting", the moves that can win games that are way above our level.
I like the way Shaddy put it - give yourself a chance to blow it as valuable feedback for improvement. These problems are not going to be as murky as most real game scenarios anyway, I hope.
On to the answer to problem #1! Shaddy got it correct, so congratulations to him!
My point behind this problem was to expose a bit behind the proverb, "Always read the most violent move first." Personally, I 'read' two moves deep into black's "b" backing off variation before reading the more violent pushing move at "a". I think that's totally fine in terms of thought process - it's way easier to read, so we can quickly establish a baseline move to compare our results against.
We all agree it's easier to read, but regardless I'd like to pose the toddler's question of "why?" Why do we all know that variation will settle faster, and read it first? My opinion is that it all has to do with how much use we make out of cutting points. The faster you take a cutting point, the faster you convert difficult aji into calculable tactics. So I believe that in this sort of fighting situation we can retranscribe the proverb as "Always read the move that makes use of cutting point aji first, first."
Essentially, once you take a cutting point there's almost always going to be some relatively forcing lines, and within 1-10 moves of accurate reading you should be able to draw a conclusion as to the merit of your cutting timing. So instead of first reading the lines where the cutting point conclusion will come later, first read the lines where you can gain useful decision-making information as soon as possible.
I meant to pose this problem as a threefold attack at that idea- first, the initial position. Secondly, move 5, where there were several promising options, each with somewhat unclear payoff.
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[go]$$c Black to play.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O O . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . X . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . a O c . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O 4 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . W X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . , . . . . . X 2 O . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . O . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X . . X O X . O X O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . O O X . O O . O X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O . O O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O X O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . X O O . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Personally, I read "a" first, and then immediately stopped reading when white replied "c".
Then, between "b" and "c", I read "b" first. It's not necessarily because it's the more violent move, both moves are pretty violent. It's because "b" uses the cutting aji at "a" more directly than "c". I think the reading is then relatively simple, until we get to move 11, where Shaddy showed us the peeping tesuji.
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[go]$$c Black to play.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O O . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . X . . X . . X . O a |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . , . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . O . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X . . X O X . O X O X . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . O O X . O O . O X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O . O O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O O X O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . X O O . O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Even here, it looks like black should be losing this liberty race. The only way to save the group is, drumroll please, taking advantage of the white's cutting aji at "a" as soon as possible. It can be hard to even notice that there is such cutting aji!
Wasn't that a neat problem? I don't have any more that are quite this good, so I'll say again that I'd be absolutely thrilled if anybody else posts a problem or two of their own, as long as they follow the 4 guidelines in my first post.
Problem #2: A much easier one!
This one comes from a no-komi game I (black) played against an 8dan on Fox. After some very embarrassing mistakes on the top of the board, I found myself behind, and I launched what could have been a brilliant attack on his bottom side group. Alas, I failed at the critical juncture.
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[go]$$c Black to play.
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$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . . . . O . O . O |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . O X . X X . . . . X O . X O X X O X |
$$ | . O O X . . X . . X . O X X O X . X O |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . O O . . X O . . X . O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O O O . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . X , X X . . X , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X X . X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O X O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X W . O X . X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . X O O O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X X . O . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . O X O . O . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . X O . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Since I'm sure you're all going to get this one, I'd like to ask what your strategies/habits are to help you avoid falling into this trap that I fell into? Clearly my habits need changing, since I failed this one in my game despite talking about the idea with my students many times
