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Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #30:
This looks like fun. It might work.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . 3 2 . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]

The simple pull back does not work for white:
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 5 3 2 . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 6 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . 4 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]

So maybe white tries the counter attack, but leaves the aji at J17
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 5 3 2 0 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 9 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X 6 4 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X 7 X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O 3 . 6 . 5 4 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X O O 2 . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O X X 1 . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X O O O C . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X X X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]


Now it is two kos. I'm not really sure how this ends.

Author:  kvasir [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

jlt wrote:
Katago sees this:


It is a nice one. It is a hard one, at least I think so.

Do you have the answer to this, white is threatening to make an eye so I assume :b5: onward.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . 8 . 7 6 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 1 2 0 . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | 4 X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . 5 . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]

Author:  jlt [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Why not :b5: at A12 ?

Author:  jlt [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Actually if White makes the exchange a-b first then Black does have to pull back at :b5:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . 8 . 7 6 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 1 2 0 . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | 4 X a b . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . 5 . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]


This might finish with a seki by double ko (with Black taking sente)? Not absolutely sure.

Author:  kvasir [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Yeah getting the 1st line hane.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . 0 . 9 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 1 2 . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | 6 X 4 5 . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . 7 . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]


Now black has the hane-capture and this very botty-clamp. I have lost a few capturing races to bots when they pull something like this but I am sort of lost.

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[go]$$Bcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . O . X O 3 . 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X X O 1 4 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 2 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O X O X . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . X . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]

Author:  kvasir [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Problem #30:


The cross cut might fail like this. At least I don't see what to do after white captures :b3:
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 4 3 2 5 8 . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . 7 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 4 3 2 5 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 7 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X 9 8 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X 0 . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]

Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

kvasir wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Problem #30:


The cross cut might fail like this. At least I don't see what to do after white captures :b3:
...

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 4 3 2 5 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 7 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X 9 8 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X 0 . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]


Oops. I missed move 10.

Author:  Harleqin [ Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

I thought this makes the corner alive, but the weakness at 'a' is a bit annoying. Maybe that's the price to pay, though.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . 1 . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X a . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]

Author:  jlt [ Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #31, White to play. Interesting life and death situation on the bottom right.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . X , X O . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . . O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Possible answer:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O O O O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . X , X O . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . . O O X X X X X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black's side group is dead.
The goal of the exchange :w3: :b4: is to avoid sequences such as

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O O O O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X 4 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O 9 . 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 2 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . X , X O . . O O O 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . . O O X X X X X a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


however White could have made the exchange a-b at anytime.

Author:  jlt [ Thu May 05, 2022 2:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #32, Black to play.

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O O . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X O X . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . O . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X O . O O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X X X O X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . O O O X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . X . . . O O . O . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X , . . . . . , . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Answer:

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[go]$$Bc Answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O O . . . X O X 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X O X . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . O . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X O . O O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X X X O X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . O O O X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . X . . . O O . O . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X , . . . . . , . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In the game I played
S18


My opponent didn't manage to punish

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[go]$$Bc Wrong move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 8 . 7 . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O O . . . X O X 5 6 1 4 |
$$ | . X . X O X X O X . O X X X O O O 2 . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . O . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . O . . X . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X O . O O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X X X O X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . O O O X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . X . . . O O . O . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X , . . . . . , . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bc Wrong move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . a . 6 . 5 . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O O . . . X O X . . 1 4 |
$$ | . X . X O X X O X . O X X X O O O 2 . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . O . . X X X O b |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . O . . X . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X O . O O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X X X O X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . O O O X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . X . . . O O . O . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X , . . . . . , . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  jlt [ Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #33, Black to play. This one was DDK level, how could I miss it?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . X O O O . |
$$ . . . O O X O X . |
$$ X . O . X X X . X |
$$ . X O . X . X . . |
$$ X O O O . X W . . |
$$ O X X O O O O . . |
$$ . X . X X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]

Author:  xela [ Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

I wouldn't say DDK level. I fell into the temptation to be too clever...

First attempt (wrong)
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[go]$$Bc
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ . . . . O O X O X . |
$$ . X . O . X X X . X |
$$ . . X O . X . X 2 . |
$$ . X O O O 3 X O 1 5 |
$$ . O X X O O O O 4 . |
$$ . . X . X X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------[/go]


It's cute that :w4: doesn't capture :b1:. One of my favourite shapes. But...


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[go]$$Bc
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ . . . . O O X O X . |
$$ . X . O . X X X . X |
$$ . . X O . X . X 2 . |
$$ . X O O O 3 X O 1 4 |
$$ . O X X O O O O . . |
$$ . . X . X X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------[/go]


Oops


Second attempt
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[go]$$Bc
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ . . . . O O X O X . |
$$ . X . O . X X X . X |
$$ . . X O . X . X 1 . |
$$ . X O O O a X O b . |
$$ . O X X O O O O . . |
$$ . . X . X X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------[/go]

Now 'a' and 'b' are miai.

Author:  jlt [ Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #34, White to play

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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O O X X X O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X X O . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . O . X . O . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Answer
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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . O O X X X O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . X X O . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 1 O . X . O . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  jlt [ Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #35. This is from a correspondence game on OGS, 1d vs 2d, I was Black. We both misread the following life and death problem. White to play.

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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X O . X . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X O . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . X X O O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . X X O . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . O X . . X . X . X . . |[/go]


In the game White played

M17

What is then the status of the white group, and what is the correct response for Black?

Answer
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[go]$$Wc seki
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O O 5 . 3 . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X O 6 X 1 O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X O 7 2 . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . X X O O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . X X O . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X . X . . . X . . . |[/go]


After the game move, White is dead.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . 3 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X O . X 4 O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X O . 1 . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . X X O O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . X X O . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X . X . . . X . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc a and b are miai
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O O a 8 7 O b 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X O 6 X X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X O . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . X X O O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . X X O . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X . X . . . X . . . |[/go]

Author:  jlt [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #36, Black to play.

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . . . X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . . O . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . X O . O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O O O X X X X X X X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X O O X O O . X X O |
$$ | . . . . O X O O X O O X O . O O O O O |
$$ | . . O . . O X O X O . X X O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X O . W X O X O O X X |
$$ | . . O O . X O O X O . O X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X O . X O O O . O . . . X X O O X |
$$ | . . . X X . X O . X O . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  kvasir [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Like this?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . . . X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . . O . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . X O . O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O O O X X X X X X X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X O O X O O . X X O |
$$ | . . . . O X O O X O O X O . O O O O O |
$$ | . . O . . O X O X O . X X O O X X O . |
$$ | . . 6 5 . . . . X O . . X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X O . W X O X O O X X |
$$ | . . O O . X O O X O . O X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X O . X O O O . O . . . X X O O X |
$$ | . . . X X 4 X O . X O . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 2 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:b1: looks vital but can't connect with :b3:

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[go]$$Bcm7
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . . . X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . . O . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . X O . O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O O O X X X X X X X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X O O X O O . X X O |
$$ | . . . . O X O O X O O X O . O O O O O |
$$ | . . O . . O X O X O . X X O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . 5 . . X X X X O . W X O X O O X X |
$$ | . . O O . X O O X O . O X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X O . X O O O 3 O . . . X X O O X |
$$ | . . . X X 4 1 O . X O . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O 2 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White can also play a threat for :w8: but I think black can protect

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[go]$$Wcm8
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . . . X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X 1 . O . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X 2 X O . O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O O O X X X X X X X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O X O O X O O . X X O |
$$ | . . . . O X O O X O O X O . O O O O O |
$$ | . . O . . O X O X O . X X O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . 4 5 . X X X X O . O X O X O O X X |
$$ | . . O O . X O O X O . O X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X O . X O O O 8 O . . . X X O O X |
$$ | . . . X X 3 6 O . X O . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O 7 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm16
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O . X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . . . X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X O . O . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X X X O . O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O O O X X X X X X X X X O O |
$$ | . . 5 . . X X O O X O O X O O . X X O |
$$ | . . . . O X O O X O O X O . O O O O O |
$$ | . . O . . O X O X O . X X O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X 2 . . . X O . . X O X X O O . |
$$ | . 4 X O . X X X X O . O X O X O O X X |
$$ | . . O O . X O O X O . O X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X O . X O O O X O . . . X X O O X |
$$ | . . . X X 1 . O . X O . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . 3 X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  jlt [ Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

I didn't show the whole board so there is not enough information to determine who wins the ko. Anyway what I missed in the game was that I could get a ko.

Author:  jlt [ Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #37, White to play. Black has just invaded the corner on the top left, what can White do?

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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O X . X . O X O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . X X O . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X . . X O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X X . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O X . X O . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O . O X X O . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . X X O O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O O . X . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X O X . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Possible variation:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . O X . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O X . X . O X O X X . |
$$ | . 4 X O . O . . X X O . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 3 . X X . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O . . . . . . X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O O X . . X O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X X . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O X . X O . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O . O X X O . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . X X O O , O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O O . X . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X O X . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  jlt [ Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

Problem #38, White to play.

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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O O X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X O X O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . X X X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O O O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O O O X X O O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . O O X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O X X . X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O X . X X X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O O X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . O X , . X . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O X O O O O X X . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  kvasir [ Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumegos from real games

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[go]$$Wc Black looks dead and triangle weakness doesn't go anywhere, right?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . O O X X . T . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O O X O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X O X O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . X X X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . 2 1 . . X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O O O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O O O X X O O O . 5 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . O O X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O X X . X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O X . X X X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O O X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . O X , . X . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O X O O O O X X . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc There is still only one eye if black goes for eyes.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . O . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . O O X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O O X O 4 2 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X O X O X 5 X O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . X X X . 1 X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . 6 X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O O O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O O O X X O O O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . O O X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O X X . X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O X . X X X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O O X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . O X , . X . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O X O O O O X X . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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