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Author: | Knotwilg [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:45 am ] |
Post subject: | direction of play exercise |
H4 game between Ian Butler (Spoonsy) and Knotwilg (Artevelde) Black played a slow move at ![]() ![]() This exchange reversed the odds from 70-30 to 30-70, according to Lizzie. Next Black poked and drew back. Now, how to continue as White? There are basically 2 directions of play, one of which Lizzie favors. Lizzie also has her eye on a big point which both want to play asap. Below are 5 proposals for moves: |
Author: | jlt [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: direction of play exercise |
My kyu-level thoughts on the position: White has about 35 solid points, while Black has about 15 points in the lower right corner and 20 points on the bottom left. However Black still has some potential in the center and no big weaknesses, so I still prefer Black. Maybe Lizzie thinks that White is ahead because considers that White has 7.5 komi? Without looking at your hints, I also considered a, b, c. Moves "b" and "c" continue the idea of attacking the ponnuki, but the attacks don't look very severe. Perhaps start with "b", and then "a" and "c" become miai? "d" reinforces White's group on the right, but also allows Black to reinforce his bottom group. I don't understand what "e" achieves, if Black responds with S4. It repairs a weakness in White's position but gives up sente?? |
Author: | Knotwilg [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: direction of play exercise |
jlt wrote: My kyu-level thoughts on the position: White has about 35 solid points, while Black has about 15 points in the lower right corner and 20 points on the bottom left. However Black still has some potential in the center and no big weaknesses, so I still prefer Black. Maybe Lizzie thinks that White is ahead because considers that White has 7.5 komi? [Whatever Black has, facing the centre, is still open. So I'd rather gauge the size of it and divide it by 2. Quote: Without looking at your hints, I also considered a, b, c. Moves "b" and "c" continue the idea of attacking the ponnuki, but the attacks don't look very severe. Perhaps start with "b", and then "a" and "c" become miai? Quote: I don't understand what "e" achieves, if Black responds with S4. It repairs a weakness in White's position but gives up sente?? |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: direction of play exercise |
Author: | Knotwilg [ Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: direction of play exercise |
The real choice for me is between b and c in this diagram. And the analysis evolves about two questions 1) can you kill the black group 2) what if you can't kill it The answer for b) is 1) not really, Black will run out around c 2) I can play at a, and take a big corner The answer for c) is 1) not really, Black will run out around b 2) I can form some infuence in the centre, which faces Black's strong walls Obviously, b) is the better choice here. Lizzie moreover showed that Black can cut in sente at ![]() The proverb says "attack for profit" or "make territory while attacking". In some of the Go books I've read, "profit" could also be influence. As bots continue showing us, influence is particularly useful when forming a sphere of influence, hence potential territory. Mere influence is not so profitable. Over the years, I have built an intuition to cap or otherwise surround the opponent, even if they can still escape, without really caring what profit I would get out of it. With the bots, I'm trying to modify that intuition and attack sideways. The attacking move is less vulnerable that way and more importantly, the profit is likely to be found there. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: direction of play exercise |
Knotwilg wrote: Over the years, I have built an intuition to cap or otherwise surround the opponent, even if they can still escape, without really caring what profit I would get out of it. With the bots, I'm trying to modify that intuition and attack sideways. The attacking move is less vulnerable that way and more importantly, the profit is likely to be found there. I have had a similar experience. If the modern pros that I studied, Go Seigen, Takagawa, Sakata, Fujisawa Hideyuki, played a lot of sideways attacks, I did not pick that up. So I was impressed by the sideways attacks by Hattori Inshuku, two centuries ago. It was interesting to find today's top bots making sideways attacks, as well. ![]() |
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