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Author: | jlt [ Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Tsumegos from real games |
In this thread I will post some tsumegos that I missed in my games. SDKs should find them fairly easy, but seeing the solution in byo-yomi without knowing if a solution exists is another matter. The following is from a Fox 3k vs. 3k game (after a 6-game losing streak I was demoted from 2k to 3k, but afterwards won 11 games in a row so I will be back to at least 2k). Black to play and kill something. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
jlt wrote: Black to play and kill something. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Author: | jlt [ Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
This move indeed kills something. |
Author: | explo [ Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
jlt wrote: This move indeed kills something. Was it the move you had in mind? I think white can play A8 to save half the group in sente, but I don't know if it was actually played. |
Author: | jlt [ Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Yes, that's the move I had in mind and that I didn't see during the game. That move indeed kills half of the white group. The actual game was ridiculous, both players didn't see that the group could be killed between moves 170 and 208, and on the other hand another white group died at move 196 although it could have survived easily, among other big mistakes. |
Author: | Mike Novack [ Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
explo wrote: jlt wrote: This move indeed kills something. Was it the move you had in mind? I think white can play A8 to save half the group in sente, but I don't know if it was actually played. A8? And not B11? What am I not seeing? |
Author: | jlt [ Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
I don't know if everyone is talking about the same thing, but here is a variation that kills the whole group if Black A11 and if White tries to save everything. (In the game I read until but didn't see that B10 was a false eye. ) |
Author: | EricBackus [ Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
To be honest, the first thing that jumped out at me on this position was a question of whether the white upper left corner is completely safe. Black has a descent on one side, and it is black's move. After looking it up, I think it probably is safe, but it's not at all obvious to me as an SDK player. Maybe there's a thousand-year ko hidden in there somewhere. |
Author: | dfan [ Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Here's my take on the upper left corner. In the normal "Long L" shape, Black can make a 10,000 year ko: If White has an extra liberty, she can resist and live with the tesuji of : would be self-atari if a were filled, which is why White needs the liberty. This is effectively the same situation as the game, in that White has one extra liberty than in the 10,000-year-ko situation, which I've labeled b: I don't see any good tricks for Black (involving A17, say), so White looks safe to me. |
Author: | jlt [ Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Tsumego #2. This one should be fairly easy. I am white, 5k on Tygem (possibly underranked, I haven't had many games there recently). 1. White to play. What is the status of the upper left corner? 2. Some moves of White are better than others. How can Black punish if White chooses a suboptimal move? In the game, I played the following move but Black didn't find the punishment. |
Author: | xela [ Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Status: Black replies to your move: Is this the best move for white? |
Author: | zermelo [ Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Mike Novack wrote: explo wrote: jlt wrote: This move indeed kills something. Was it the move you had in mind? I think white can play A8 to save half the group in sente, but I don't know if it was actually played. A8? And not B11? What am I not seeing? A8 allows connection to lower left by B6, shown below. This is a good shape to know, as it comes up now and then in games: |
Author: | jlt [ Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
@xela: |
Author: | xela [ Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
So many different ways to make ko! Thanks for the clear explanation. |
Author: | jlt [ Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Tsumego #3: a tesuji problem. White to play and get a good result. What are the next few moves? That kind of position is beyond my reading horizon in a real game, even though it was a slow game on a physical board. |
Author: | jlt [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Tsumego #4. Black to play and capture some stones. |
Author: | Kirby [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
jlt wrote: Tsumego #3: a tesuji problem. White to play and get a good result. What are the next few moves? That kind of position is beyond my reading horizon in a real game, even though it was a slow game on a physical board. |
Author: | Kirby [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
jlt wrote: |
Author: | xela [ Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tsumegos from real games |
Tsumego 3, I'm thinking along similar lines to Kirby: |
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