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Author: | topazg [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:01 am ] |
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I tend to try and keep reasonably up to date with professional games, and some leave my jaw on the floor in places. Not always from the perspective of brilliance, so much as "I'd never have played that - I really don't understand Go so well!". Here is a good case example, the following is the first 18 moves of a tournament game involving a 9p against a fellow professional. Question 1) What were the next two moves (one Black, one White, moves 19 and 20). Question 2) Why was this the right global area to play, and the right local position for the stone Please put answers in hide tags until enough people have a good guess ![]() |
Author: | lorill [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:17 am ] |
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Edit: forget that, i thought it was white to play. I'm ashamed now. |
Author: | daal [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:13 am ] |
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Excellent problem, though in this case, I'm not sure that the hide tags are necessary. It might also be interesting to just open a discussion about the position. I for example just looked at Lorill's answer, and thought about the merits of his solution and came to the conclusion that I would answer his b19 with a different w20... In any case, here are my observations: |
Author: | PYves [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:26 am ] |
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Author: | lorill [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:41 am ] |
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daal wrote: I for example just looked at Lorill's answer, and thought about the merits of his solution and came to the conclusion that I would answer his b19 with a different w20... Of course, since I meant w19 and b20 ![]() Sorry, i messed up! |
Author: | Stable [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:34 am ] |
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Author: | topazg [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:38 am ] |
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daal wrote: Excellent problem, though in this case, I'm not sure that the hide tags are necessary. It might also be interesting to just open a discussion about the position. I agree, and I'm happy for this. The hide tags were more intended as a "give people the option not too see other people's thoughts before posting theirs", but I guess that will happen anyway as the OP is not all that short with the two diagrams. |
Author: | amnal [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:46 am ] |
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daal wrote: Excellent problem, though in this case, I'm not sure that the hide tags are necessary. It might also be interesting to just open a discussion about the position. I for example just looked at Lorill's answer, and thought about the merits of his solution and came to the conclusion that I would answer his b19 with a different w20... In any case, here are my observations: Comment on daal's 20: My guesses: |
Author: | DrStraw [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:27 am ] |
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Just a random guess from someone who is woefully out of practice. |
Author: | entropi [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:32 am ] |
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amnal wrote: Comment on daal's 20: amnal wrote: My guesses: |
Author: | amnal [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:53 am ] |
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entropi wrote: Additional game comment: |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:55 am ] |
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My first call would definitely have been C15 or D15 as Black, and then a response from White locally. However, many of the moves I'd have considered (even P5, and locally I also thought about Q7) have now been mentioned. Shall I reveal the two moves in the game to discuss them, or wait for more suggestions from others? |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:57 am ] |
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I am glad not to have seen others' replies. It is more fun this way. ![]() |
Author: | Stable [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:48 am ] |
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Do it topaz! |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:59 am ] |
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Ok, so, next two moves: And the continuation (next 10) for those interested: So, two questions: 1) What?! and 2) Why?! I mean, I understand the whole general idea, but why there? It looks like the sort of thing I'd criticise a DDK for as not being quite enough of anything, and while dual-purpose is good, dual-purpose has to do both purposes well, something that sort of half-does a couple of things isn't a dual purpose move. Yet here we have Gu Li 9p (Black) playing this against Han Sanghoon 5p just the other day. What gives? |
Author: | entropi [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:14 am ] |
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Come on, these are just standard moves... |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:23 am ] |
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Ok, FWIW, this is the sort of thing I am guessing it's for: |
Author: | amnal [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:39 am ] |
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topazg wrote: Ok, FWIW, this is the sort of thing I am guessing it's for: |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:42 am ] |
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IIRC, ![]() ![]() |
Author: | topazg [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:52 am ] |
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amnal wrote: |
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