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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #1 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:23 pm 
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What's the best move, 'a' or 'b'?

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #2 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:24 pm 
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For who?

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Offline amnal
 Post subject: Re: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #3 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:35 pm 
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Chew Terr wrote:
For who?


I think black. Both moves would be strange for white, but make sense for black.
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #4 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:40 pm 
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"a" for me.
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Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #5 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:41 pm 
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Chew Terr wrote:
For who?

Given 8 white and 8 black stones on the board, my guess would be black.

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #6 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:42 pm 
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Oh, thanks. Then yeah, 'a' for me as well. If I DID play 'b', it would be a point lower to better eye things like the already-interesting corner invasion. 'a' just seems more efficient/multi-purpose, though.

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Offline Stable
 Post subject: Re: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #7 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:45 pm 
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A! :rambo:
It's still too early to worry about closing the corner, white doesn't have a moyo as such down the left, but w definitely dominates the left and a is the interface between the left and black's moyo.
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Offline emerus
 Post subject: Re: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #8 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:56 pm 
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Oh yeah, undoubtedly A, if black B, white expands near A happily.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #9 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:32 pm 
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tj86430 wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
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Given 8 white and 8 black stones on the board, my guess would be black.


Ooops, yes, it is black to move.

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Offline Dusk Eagle
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Post #10 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:09 am 
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I agree with 'a' here. Black expands his moyo, and reduces white's along the left and top.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Dictionary of modern fuseki - problem 2
Post #11 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:22 pm 
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This one seemed rather obvious. Everyone seems to prefer 'a', and the book agrees.

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Post #12 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:44 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
This one seemed rather obvious. Everyone seems to prefer 'a', and the book agrees.


I think both moves suck. ;)

Having said that - i think this is a 'style' question. Play for moyo or for fight. Split the game into small areas, or not?

I often see such problems, and each time I ask myself this: If you get 100 pros to look into this position, how many of them would pick which move? How many of them would play a totally different move? Why do we assume that there is one 'correct' play in this position? And why do we assume that, if there is, the author of the problem knows it?

I have no doubt that its just my weakness that speaks here, but I can't help but wonder....

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