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Author:	entropi [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:32 am ]
Post subject:	shameless iphone killed my group
Hi, The white group seems to form a basic corner shape but I couldn't find it on senseis. What is its status? Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ $$\| . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . . . , X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$\| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$-----------------------------------------[/go]` Thanks in advance

Author:	hyperpape [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:42 am ]
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Is the title just a way to get attention (and if so, that's cute), or did you misclick because of the phone?

Author:	entropi [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:46 am ]
Post subject:	Re: shameless iphone killed my group
hyperpape wrote: Is the title just a way to get attention (and if so, that's cute), or did you misclick because of the phone? Haha, no I didn't misclick I was playing fast on 9x9 board and igowin on iphone shamelessly killed my group. Looking at the shape later I couldn't figure out the true status of my group.

Author:	Bill Spight [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:53 am ]
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How would you try to kill as Black?

Author:	entropi [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: shameless iphone killed my group
Bill Spight wrote: How would you try to kill as Black? First instinct, hane.

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Author:	unkx80 [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:32 am ]
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Some thoughts. Not a solution. This problem looks hideously similar to a problem I have seen before. So my first instinct is as follows. Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ $$\| . . X . . . . $$\| . X X X . . . $$\| 5 O O X . . . $$\| . 3 4 , X X . $$\| . . O . . . . $$\| . O . . X . . $$\| . 2 1 . . . . $$---------------[/go]` Then I saw the following. Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ $$\| . . X . . . . $$\| . X X X . . . $$\| . O O X . . . $$\| . 2 . 0 X X . $$\| . . O 8 6 7 . $$\| . O . 4 X 9 . $$\| . 3 1 5 . . . $$---------------[/go]` I am too brain dead now to think of much more.

Author:	Toge [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:14 am ]
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Solve these in my head? No way. This was my initial thought: a and b are miai, c and d are miai. Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$B $$\| . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 2 . c , X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$\| 1 d O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| b O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . a 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$-----------------------------------------[/go]` But it leads to seki: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$B $$\| . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 0 O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 2 . 6 , X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$\| 1 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 5 O 8 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$-----------------------------------------[/go]` Then I noticed atari above "c" in the first diagram kills it, so white 2 must be wrong. In any case, black 1's connection should be severed. This was my thought, but white move 2 at W10 proved to be formidable. Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$B $$\| . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 2 O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 9 . 6 , X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$\| 1 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 5 O 8 0 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . 4 3 a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$-----------------------------------------[/go]` Edit: Corrected SGF. First move at b4.

Author:	Bill Spight [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:16 am ]
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Also not a solution. Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ Life $$\| . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 9 O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 0 7 8 , X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$\| 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . O 5 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 6 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$-----------------------------------------[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ Ko $$\| . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . 8 7 , X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$\| 2 . O 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| . O 5 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$\| 6 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$-----------------------------------------[/go]` Edit: Added a variation.

Author:	ez4u [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:45 am ]
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A solution? Sometimes the blunt play is the way to go. Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ $$\| . . X . . . . $$\| . X X X . . . $$\| . O O X . . . $$\| . 1 2 , X X . $$\| . . O . . . . $$\| . O . . X . . $$\| . . 3 . . . . $$---------------[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ $$\| . . X . . . . $$\| . X X X . . . $$\| . O O X . . . $$\| . 1 5 , X X . $$\| 7 6 O . . . . $$\| . O . 2 X . . $$\| . . 3 4 . . . $$---------------[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ $$\| . . X . . . . $$\| . X X X . . . $$\| . O O X . . . $$\| . 1 . , X X . $$\| . . O . . . . $$\| . O . 3 X . . $$\| . . 2 . . . . $$---------------[/go]` What other resources does White have?

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