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| Author: | entropi [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | strange moves |
These are the very first moves of a game played by a shodan player (white) against me (black). What do you think of this opening? Is it just nonsense or does it have a meaning to play  after  ?If it has a meaning, which fundamental principle of go would explain it? A position search in senseis revealed no results.  is just first instinct, but is it wrong?
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: strange moves |
Black 3 is a fine move. I'd say that you are playing well and that he is playing very badly. If you continue with 5 like this you have him split. Now maybe there is some hamate that I do not see, but I call this a huge local advantage for black. EDIT: It is so contrary to the principles of good play that I'd suspect that it was a mis-click, but he was to proud to ask for an undo. |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: strange moves |
It's probably just to confuse you. If you play Joaz's  , you can think of it as at worse a 3-3 invasion, but with white having stupidly exchanged for first. There's no way that makes much sense for him.
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| Author: | entropi [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: strange moves |
Thanks for the replies. I also guessed it was just to confuse me, but may be there is a kind of trick involved somewhere. After Joaz's , I guess he has to live in the corner immediately. Normally 3-3 invasions end up with invaders sente, but in this case I would probably even keep sente due to (???)
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| Author: | flOvermind [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: strange moves |
entropi wrote: Normally 3-3 invasions end up with invaders sente, but in this case I would probably even keep sente due to (???)That's of course if he manages to live at all... I guess the expected "best case" continuation would be a completely shut in group of 2 or 3 points in gote for white, and thickness in all directions in sente for black. Worst case would be a ko or even direct death. That is IMHO bad enough to seriously consider *not* trying to live with (but then again, I wouldn't have played it in the first place  )
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| Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: strange moves |
2: "I'll just play something fun here/I want outside influence/Let's see what he does/I'm asleep/There's not enough handicap/Let's keep the game close/etc" 4: "Oh, that corner looks kinda big. I should invade now, one move before it becomes territory." |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: strange moves |
entropi wrote: These are the very first moves of a game played by a shodan player (white) against me (black). What do you think of this opening? Is it just nonsense or does it have a meaning to play after ?If it has a meaning, which fundamental principle of go would explain it? A position search in senseis revealed no results. is just first instinct, but is it wrong?It is nonsense.  is good. Joaz's suggestion for is fine.  Wait till Ed Lee sees this! 
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| Author: | Marcus [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: strange moves |
Doesn't look good for W ... but, perhaps if he's trying to play tricky and trip you up, he should have tried something slightly different: This is more interesting, but I still wouldn't play this as W, I don't think ... |
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