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Author:  emeraldemon [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Can you tell who won these pro games?

These are 10 professional games that ended in resignation, before 200 moves. All are 6.5 komi. Can you tell who won each game?

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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X X O O . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X X O O . O O . X X X X . |
$$ | O O O O X O . . . , . . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . X O O X X X X O . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . X X O X . X . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O O . X X O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X . , X . . . X O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . X X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O . X O . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . O . X O O O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . X . X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X . O . X . X X O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . O . , X X O X . O . X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O X X . O O O . . O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | O X . X . . O X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O X X . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . . X . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O . X O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | X O . O X O O O O X . O . . . , O . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . O X X X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X O . X O O X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . O . . X X O X . . . . . |
$$ | X . O X . O O O X X . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X O X . . O X . . . X . |
$$ | X O O O X . O O O X O X O O X X X O . |
$$ | O . O X X X . O . O X X . O X O O O . |
$$ | O O X X O O O . O O X O O . O X X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X . . . O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X . X O O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . X , O . O X X , X . . |
$$ | . X X X X O O . . X O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X X O O X . X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X X . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . . X . X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . O O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X X . . X O O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . O X X X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . . . . . X X X X O O . |
$$ | . . X X O X X X X . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . X X O . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X O O . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X X X X X , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X O X O X O X . . O . . . . X X O |
$$ | O O O O O O O O X . X O . . . . X O . |
$$ | X O O . X O . O X . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | X O X X X O O O X X X O . O O . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X O O O O O X X X . O O . . |
$$ | X O O O X O O X X O X . . . X X X O . |
$$ | X O X X X . X X X O X . X . . . . X . |
$$ | X X X . X . X O X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O X X O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X . O O O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . O . . O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . O . X O X O O X |
$$ | . O X O X O O . . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O O O O O . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . O X X X O . O X . X X . X |
$$ | X . . X . X X O . O X O . X . . O X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . O . X O O O O . O O . |
$$ | O O O X . X . X . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . X . O . X X X . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . X . O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O , O O . X . X . . . O X , X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . X O O . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O . . X O . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O . X . . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X . . . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X X X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X O X O X O X O . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . O O X . X O O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O O . O . O X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X X . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O X O . . . X O . X . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . O X X X , X O . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O O . . X O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . X X O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | X . X O X . O . X O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . O X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X X X X X O , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O O O X . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O O . O . X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . O O X . . X X O O . O O X X . |
$$ | . O O O . X X X . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . X O , O . . O . X X . O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O O X . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X X . X . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O . O X X . O . O O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O X . . . X X X X . . , . O . |
$$ | . . O . O X X . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O . X O O X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X X O O X . . . X X . . . . X , X O . |
$$ | X . X X O O . O X O . X . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . O X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . X O O . O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X O O O X O . O X . X X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O X . O X X O O . X . X O O . |
$$ | . X . . . X . X X X O . O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . O X X X X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . O X X O O O X . X . |
$$ | . . . X X . O . O O O O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . O O X X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . O X O X X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . X . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O . X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O . O O , O . O X . X O . O |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . O O X . O O . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O . . X . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . O O X . X O . . , . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X X X . X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . . . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . X . X O O . . . . . . O X X O X . X |
$$ | . . X O X O . X . . . X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X O O . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O O O X , X X . . O , X . . |
$$ | . O X X . X X X X . . O . X O O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . X . X O X O X |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . X . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . O X . . . X . X X O X X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X O O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . O X X O . . . O . X X O . |
$$ | X O O O O O . O O X X . X X . X O O . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . O X O . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ End position
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . X O . X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . O , O . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . O O X X X X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . O X O X O . X X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O O O O O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X X X X X O X X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . O O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X X X . O X O , X X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O X O X X . X X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O O . X O O . O . X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X X O . . X . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X X X O . X . O O , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . . . X O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ANSWERS:
Guess first, then look!

Game 1: W+R (162 moves)
Game 2: W+R (182 moves)
Game 3: B+R (143 moves)
Game 4: B+R (187 moves)
Game 5: B+R (187 moves)
Game 6: B+R (121 moves)
Game 7: B+R (145 moves)
Game 8: W+R (178 moves)
Game 9: B+R (177 moves)
Game 10: W+R (176 moves)

Author:  Splatted [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

7/10

My wrong answers

5, 2 and 10

I thought I'd have no clue, but I was pretty confident with most of them. I can see where I went wrong with 2 and 10, but 5 was really hard. :D

Author:  hyperpape [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

To clarify, I liked before even looking at the games.

Author:  Sverre [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

9/10, not too bad

got number 5 wrong

Author:  Magicwand [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

if you count the stones then you will get 100% ^^

Author:  gasana [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

5?!

ok, this one...

Author:  daal [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

I also clicked "like" before I started. :bow: What's so cool about this exercise is that it makes you look at the whole board, think about the status of the groups and count. It's not a particularly grueling task- though my counting did get sloppier towards the end. It took me about 30 mins altogether - how long did others spend?. I got 8/10 right.
I got #8 and #10 wrong

Author:  cyclops [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:02 pm ]
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before answering may I assume zero prisoners and black's turn?

Author:  emeraldemon [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

cyclops wrote:
before answering may I assume zero prisoners and black's turn?


Nope, neither. The board shown is the final position before resignation, so if black resigned it would be black's turn, but if white resigned it would be white's turn. Hence Magicwand's comment abount counting the moves.

In retrospect it might have been a bit nicer to add the prisoner count, but my feeling is that a capture should be visible on the board, from the hole it left behind. The problems are a bit harder this way, but not too much.

Author:  jts [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:27 am ]
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Wow, I got logged out after typing up counts/L&D analyses for all of them. So irritating. But I guessed right on everything but #10, for which I was puzzled - the count seemed very close. So 90%.

Author:  emeraldemon [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:08 pm ]
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jts wrote:
Wow, I got logged out after typing up counts/L&D analyses for all of them. So irritating.


Whenever I want to do a longish post now, I type it in a text editor and just paste it in and post, precisely because I've been bitten by this before :(

Author:  Bonobo [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  [Off Topic] Not losing posts anymore

emeraldemon wrote:
jts wrote:
Wow, I got logged out after typing up counts/L&D analyses for all of them. So irritating.


Whenever I want to do a longish post now, I type it in a text editor and just paste it in and post, precisely because I've been bitten by this before :(

Since I use Lazarus I’ve never again lost any post … http://getlazarus.com/

Author:  NoSkill [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

White won (right)

White won (right)

Black won (right)

Black won (right)

White won (wrong)

Black won (right)

Black won (right)

White won (right)

Black won (right)

White won (right)

9/10. How did black win game 5 o.o?
[ Put inside Hide tags. -- EdLee Nov 5, 2012. ]

Author:  Tryss [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:46 pm ]
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NoSkill, it would be better if you put spoiler to your answers ;)

And about game 5 :

Black groups are alive, and he has more points

Author:  NoSkill [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Can you tell who won these pro games?

Tryss wrote:
NoSkill, it would be better if you put spoiler to your answers ;)

And about game 5 :

Black groups are alive, and he has more points


Sorry ^^

And I know groups are alive, but I thought white had more points. Maybe I counted off

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