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Author:	hailthorn011 [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:06 pm ]
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Has anyone else seen this? I thought it was pretty awesome. I plan to get one of these as soon as possible. Although, I've never really had a credit card before so I'm kind of wary of them. http://www.usgo.org/news/2011/06/capital-one-offers-new-aga-visa-card/

Author:	cdybeijing [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:26 pm ]
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Why is an article on the AGA website dated June 27, 2011 referencing the upcoming 2010 Mind Games?

Author:	Jedo [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:28 pm ]
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Very cool! Maybe when I'm an actual adult who has a credit card, I'll consider this.

Author:	lefuet [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:41 pm ]
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why did black play in the corner? ..

Author:	LocoRon [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:05 am ]
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It looks like a tsumego.

Author:	Redundant [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:33 am ]
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LocoRon wrote: It looks like a tsumego. I can almost swear that I saw this problem in a book a 4d at my go club was studying...

Author:	Solomon [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:04 pm ]
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The tsumego on the card: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$W $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| . . X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| . . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]`

Author:	SoDesuNe [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:40 pm ]
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Araban wrote: The tsumego on the card: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$W $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| . . X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| . . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| 3 X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| a 2 X . . X O . . $$ \| . . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Shortage of liberties. If Black plays 'a' White just puts Atari with 2. Did I miss something? =o

Author:	Redundant [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:53 pm ]
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@Sodesune: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]`

Author:	Kirby [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:57 pm ]
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Redundant wrote: @Sodesune: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` I didn't analyze this problem that much, but my initial thought from this position was that white could simply play here: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| O 1 X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| X . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` However, this makes me slightly nervous: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| 5 X O . . . . . . $$ \| 3 X O O O O . . . $$ \| O 1 X X X . O . . $$ \| 4 2 X . . X O . . $$ \| X . X X . X O . . $$ \| 7 6 O O X . O . . $$ \| O O 8 . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]`

Author:	SoDesuNe [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:59 pm ]
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Redundant wrote: @Sodesune: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 3 X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` I thought cutting and capturing were obvious ^^ Kirby Maybe this is the solution, does anyone has the concrete answer? Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| 3 . X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Maybe this? Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| 7 X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| 3 4 X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 6 X X . X O . . $$ \| 5 . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Ha ha ha, no, snapback ^^ It's getting late. BUT NOW! Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| . 3 X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| 8 X O . . . . . . $$ \| 7 X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 5 X X X . O . . $$ \| 6 3 X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 4 X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` at and feakin' under the stones!

Author:	Kirby [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:12 pm ]
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SoDesuNe wrote: Redundant wrote: @Sodesune: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 3 X X X . O . . $$ \| . . X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` I thought cutting and capturing were obvious ^^ Kirby Maybe this is the solution, does anyone has the concrete answer? Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| 3 . X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Maybe this? Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| 7 X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| 3 4 X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 6 X X . X O . . $$ \| 5 . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Ha ha ha, no, snapback ^^ It's getting late. It is the best I've come up with so far (ko). This also doesn't seem to work: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| 5 O O . . . . . . $$ \| 3 X O . . . . . . $$ \| 9 X O O O O . . . $$ \| 2 7 X X X . O . . $$ \| 4 . X . . X O . . $$ \| 1 6 X X . X O . . $$ \| 8 0 O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]`

Author:	judicata [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:13 pm ]
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It's only a hard problem if you assume it is white to kill .

Author:	Kirby [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Go Credit Card
However, I guess in this diagram was aji-keshi, and should be used as a ko threat: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| 5 X O . . . . . . $$ \| 3 X O O O O . . . $$ \| O 1 X X X . O . . $$ \| 4 2 X . . X O . . $$ \| X . X X . X O . . $$ \| 7 6 O O X . O . . $$ \| O O 8 . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` That is, it's probably better for black to play this way: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| 3 X O O O O . . . $$ \| O 1 X X X . O . . $$ \| C 2 X . . X O . . $$ \| X . X X . X O . . $$ \| 5 4 O O X . O . . $$ \| O O 6 . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` If he doesn't have good enough ko threats, he can always play the marked point. And, if he does have threats elsewhere, it can be a local threat for him.

Author:	SoDesuNe [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:16 pm ]
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I edited above: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| . 3 X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| 8 X O . . . . . . $$ \| 7 X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 5 X X X . O . . $$ \| 6 3 X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 4 X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` at and freakin' under the stones!

Author:	Kirby [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:19 pm ]
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SoDesuNe wrote: I edited above: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O . . . . . . $$ \| . X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 . X X X . O . . $$ \| . 3 X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 . X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ \| X O O . . . . . . $$ \| 8 X O . . . . . . $$ \| 7 X O O O O . . . $$ \| 1 5 X X X . O . . $$ \| 6 3 X . . X O . . $$ \| 2 4 X X . X O . . $$ \| . . O O X . O . . $$ \| O O . . O O . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . , . . . . .[/go]` at and freakin' under the stones! Seems good to me.

Author:	shimari [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:38 am ]
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I ordered the card right away, and just received a note from them saying it is coming in the mail. I think the card looks awesome, Mike Samuel always does a terrific job. I look forward to using the card, both because people will ask me what it is, and because a portion of the funds will support the AGA. As for the Tsumego people here have already solved it. The AGA home page put this up a few days ago: http://www.usgo.org/teach/methods.html

Author:	xed_over [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:44 am ]
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shimari wrote: As for the Tsumego people here have already solved it. The AGA home page put this up a few days ago: http://www.usgo.org/teach/methods.html Shouldn't it be this link instead? http://www.usgo.org/problems/375/prob.php

Author:	Bantari [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:50 am ]
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hailthorn011 wrote: Has anyone else seen this? I thought it was pretty awesome. I plan to get one of these as soon as possible. Although, I've never really had a credit card before so I'm kind of wary of them. http://www.usgo.org/news/2011/06/capital-one-offers-new-aga-visa-card/ Nice image. I have had credit cards before, have a few now. They are cool. However - what I personally am wary of is Capital One. Not sure I want to do business with them...

Author:	shimari [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:23 pm ]
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xed_over wrote: shimari wrote: As for the Tsumego people here have already solved it. The AGA home page put this up a few days ago: http://www.usgo.org/teach/methods.html Shouldn't it be this link instead? http://www.usgo.org/problems/375/prob.php Lol, sorry I sent 40 e-mails out to various AGF programs yesterday, and that string of text was in one of them. Guess I failed to copy the right link when I posted here.

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