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 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #381 Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:36 am 
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[go]$$Bc 92A W41 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O W O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ugh, I debated and debated over this move, and this is what I went with.
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[go]$$Bc 91A W41 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O B . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X d . c . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . b X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O a O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered these moves most. However, I think that this one has the least fatal weaknesses. Ugh, we got ourselves into a really complicated situation. Sorry to not have a lot to show for explanations. I figure we're better off sacrificing a few stones if black cuts at O14. While 'b' LOOKS like great shape, it leaves a nasty peep at O15. Don't have time to post much more at the moment, but I may try to come explain more of my thoughts later.

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Post #382 Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:28 pm 
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I approve.

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Post #383 Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:17 am 
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Let's do it - Black's got some serious profit here if he can cut off that whole awesome top!

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[go]$$Bcm93 93 W41 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . 3 . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . 1 . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #384 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:17 pm 
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Not approved

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[go]$$Bc 92A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O W . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

EDIT: whoa, it's been a while since I looked at this, my previous comment about black playing this was totally invalid (he never has a chance), but yeah, this was what I had in mind before... we get to keep all kinds of pressure, and have sente to fix our shape

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Post #385 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:33 pm 
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Sometimes I feel like an idiot. It was obvious.

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Post #386 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:16 pm 
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Sometimes I feel like an idiot. It was obvious.


Yeah, it makes so much sense after you see it on the board. =)

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Post #387 Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:52 am 
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[go]$$Bc 93A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X B . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the most difficult situation in the game so far to read. I'm failing miserably to see what can be achieved, but I'm inclined to believe this is the right move.

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[go]$$Bc 93A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . b . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X a . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X c . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


These three I considered. a and b will be all right if P17 is captured (which I don't know to be possible). Otherwise I will have to make cramped life in the corner and white, having gotten the O12 group, controls the lower right of the board.

Reading ahead from c, on the other hand, suggests a helpful liberty issue in white's position.

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[go]$$Bc 93A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . 2 . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 3 4 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #388 Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:50 pm 
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Post #389 Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:12 am 
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Sorry guys, work's been ramping up lately, if I could just get one more week on this, it'd be appreciated. It's an important move, so I don't want to just blindly approve.

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Post #390 Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:42 am 
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Post #391 Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:34 pm 
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Uhhh...Violence?...You there?....it's your move.

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Post #392 Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:58 pm 
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Blah, Approved.

Bwaargh... it's just so complicated... Every time I sit down with it, I can't read it to completion.

I don't think our dodging sequence of giving up these stones is very good, but if this all collapses, we just resign...

I can't believe I missed the simple atari outward.

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Post #393 Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:16 pm 
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If it is P13, I approve. If not, I'll have a look at it and then post.

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Post #394 Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bc 94A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O W O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sorry for the delay, work has been so swamped it may as well be scuttled.
I looked at alternatives to try not to miss anything obvious, but this seems to be the best route forwards.
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[go]$$Bc 94A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O W O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . 3 . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

1 by black seems forced, but then... it gets really complicated. That said, if we don't play where I'm playing, I think we're just sunk. I kind of like 4 attaching below 3, but it'll have to wait until we're closer to decide, so I have more time to read.

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Post #395 Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:55 pm 
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Post #396 Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:11 am 
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[go]$$Bc 95A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O B . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The first goal I see is cutting off and killing the P17 group starting with O15. It looks like a gote affair that gives white massive thickness toward the lower right.

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[go]$$Bc 95A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . 8 9 O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . 5 1 2 X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O 3 7 X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X 4 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 6 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bc 95A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . 3 . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . 1 4 X O 9 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O 2 5 X X 7 . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O 6 8 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



The only mitigating preliminary exchange that I can see is something like this:

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[go]$$Bc 95A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X . 3 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I hope white'll have to do something about the cutting point at O14, giving us the opportunity to weasel securely toward the lower right and relieving us from prospect of the heavy-handed corner kill.

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Post #397 Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:56 am 
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That's weird, I made a post here but don't see it now. :scratch:

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[go]$$Bc 95B W43 B46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X B . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O C . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel a lot better about this move. The variations are similar between the two moves, but I think it's worth 2 points to feel better about this. We'll see if my other teammate agrees.

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Post #398 Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:06 pm 
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I... think this is ok???

It's hard to read out all the variations here... it gets kinda fuzzy.

Something bothers me, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

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Post #399 Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:55 pm 
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[go]$$Bc 95B W43 B46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X W . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Swamped at work, so I had less time to work on this than I really wanted... here's what I looked at, though.
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[go]$$Bc 95B W43 B46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O 4 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O W 2 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 1 3 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This would be okay.
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[go]$$Bc 95B W43 B46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O 3 . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O W 2 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Unfortunately, I don't see a good answer to this.

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[go]$$Bc 95B W43 B46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . 6 . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O 4 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X W . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . 3 5 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This may be good enough? Notably, 6 blocks the cut at O14 (which came as a bit of a surprise to me as I looked at it). I think it's the best I've got, so I'll go with it.

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Post #400 Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:22 am 
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I disapprove.

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[go]$$Bc 95B W43 B48
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O W . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X C . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's start with a quick summary of tactical goals. ( And I think that for the moment strategic goals can be ignored as they are comletely outweighed by tactical ones )

We can kill this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . B B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]

...or we can kill this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O B O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O B B B B . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]

...or we can kill this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O B B . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O B . B B O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O B O B . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O B O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . B O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O B B O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . B X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]

...or we can resign.

Living without killing is not really possible. The upper side is like a small western town: "There ain't enough room here for the both of us". If we do live up there, even without trying to kill, we implicitly kill black's upper middle group anyway. M17 is the vital point. If we get it without dying in the process, black's eyespace is too ugly to live:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O ? ? . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X ? ? X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X ? ? X W . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X ? X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]


So once we realize that we must kill something, then the question is: which one?

The upper right group can easily live like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . B O T . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . B B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]

...this group can run as Terr demonstrated:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O B O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O B B B B . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . T . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . T . . . |[/go]

...so we must first focus on killing the upper central group. And to do that we need M17.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O B B . . . W . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O B . B B O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O B O B . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O B O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . B O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O B B O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . B X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]


It really is that simple, IMHO. The whole game can be reduced to the issue of whether or not we can get a certain move.

Trying it immediately is no good:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O B B . . . 1 a . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O B . B B O X b O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O B O B 2 3 4 . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O B O O 5 . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . B O X O O O 6 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O B B O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . B X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]


despite the cutting points at 'a' and 'b', white runs out of liberties too fast. Therefore, the whole game can be further refined to the issue of whether or not we can get more liberties to be able to play M17.

When our group looks like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . a . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X W X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . b . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X W W c . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X W X W W W d . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X W X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]

...and we can't play 'a', then the only way to get more liberties is to play 'b', 'c' or 'd'.

Playing 'b' or 'c' gets us nothing. Black captures M16 and his other groups are still safe.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . 3 4 . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X W X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 2 . 1 . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X W W 1 . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X W X W W W d . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X W X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |[/go]


That leaves us with 'd'. It starts to threaten both of black's other groups, so black cannot reflexively go after M16 immediately. Thus M17 is still a possibility for us. This line is complicated. Maybe it works; maybe it doesn't. But I'm not even going to bother to read it out completely, because all of the other alternatives clearly do not work.

However, I have read some of the obvious replies. One of the more interesting lines is this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . 5 . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . 4 2 . X O 7 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O 1 3 X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O W 6 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 9 0 . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...where black dies in either a ladder or a crane's nest.

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