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Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore faith!
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Author:  happysocks [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:16 am ]
Post subject:  Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore faith!
Yes, a tad overstated, but some pretty strange things did happen in a recent game. This was scored as a 32.5 point win for white. To my reading all white in the top right corner and side are dead (even with the corner being scored as seki black wins by around 17.5 I think). Am I wrong about about this? If right, ok I lost a won game no biggie.




The potential problem and real worry for me is how it happened that my live stones got marked dead (and therefore his dead stones live) and was settled on as a final result with out my agreeing to the result or pressing "done". Tried several times to unclick them from being dead like you would at kgs but to no avail. The new look of igs is remarkable, really beautiful! Have had no trouble getting games (unlike kgs where it can be a real chore for a ddk to get a game sometimes). Enjoy the new igs so much would be happy to play a zillion games there (or at least lose 100 games quickly). But this situation has left kind of a bad aftertaste.

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[EDIT] It looks like the game record shows who marked what dead (a nice feature!) and that apperently I marked my group T15 dead - oh the humanity! A thousand apologies to my opponent!

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Author:  EdLee [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:59 am ]
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happysocks, your didn't attach an SGF file and were you B or W ?
Author:  happysocks [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:54 am ]
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Oops, copy pasted the game info direct from igs in between L19's little sgf thingy - looks like it didn't work. Saved the game, can I upload an sgf file from my computer? (I was black). Was going to post the final position but that looks tricky too. Guess I should learn how to do these things before asking for help with games. XD
Author:  PeterHB [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:41 am ]
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Have a look at an old thread:
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=976&p=29288

By sticking to your opinion, the game automatically gets sent to ajudication by the IGS admins. Then wait 3 days and login to http://my.pandanet.co.jp/index-e.htm and the result should be up, with a little red signing stamp showing the result was decided by the admin.

It is a different system from the KGS one, but I have not had a problem with it. The adjudicators have always got the right result.

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Author:  happysocks [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:36 am ]
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Thank you Peter, is good to know such things exist! Of course the game in question was somehow scored already so there is probably nothing to be done for it. Anyway, really wish could show the game to you guys so to be sure my assessment of the final position is correct and am not misreading something.

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Author:  jts [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:45 am ]
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You pasted the name of the IGS file. You need to either paste the contents of the sgf (lots of brackets and numbers) or the link to the sgf (starting http) for us to see it.
Author:  happysocks [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:59 am ]
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Yay, figured out how to do it. The eidogo viewer in the op has bee fixed to include the sgf. :D
Author:  Splatted [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:06 am ]
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You are right. They are dead. :D
Author:  EdLee [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:30 pm ]
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For :b22:, :b50:, :b54:, :b74:, :b76:, :black: 106, :black: 160, see Toothpaste shape
Author:  daal [ Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:54 pm ]
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happysocks wrote:
The potential problem and real worry for me is how it happened that my live stones got marked dead (and therefore his dead stones live) and was settled on as a final result with out my agreeing to the result or pressing "done". Tried several times to unclick them from being dead like you would at kgs but to no avail.
This happened to me once too. I found it quite infuriating.

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[EDIT] It looks like the game record shows who marked what dead (a nice feature!) and that apperently I marked my group T15 dead - oh the humanity! A thousand apologies to my opponent!
Even if it was your fault that the group was marked incorrectly, it is still quite irritating to not be able to correct the marking and that a result is declared without your agreement.
Author:  mitsun [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:12 pm ]
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During the scoring phase (after both sides have passed to end the playing phase), I believe you can simply type "undo" to erase all dead stone markers and return to the start of the scoring phase. This is useful if someone mistakenly marks a group dead, but of course not so useful if there is a real disagreement.
Author:  happysocks [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Daal, sorry to hear you had that particular experience with the server also, but it sounds like mitsun has our solution! Course you can mark my words, that extra care will be executed when marking stones from this point forward.

EdLee, thank you for the review! Went through it quickly this morning and will examine more in depth as soon as possible. At first glance things made sense and seemed pretty straight forward but there may be questions. :)

Thanks to all who responded, faiths been restored. This server is wonderful!

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Is that happy enough not sure here's some happy music just to be safe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGbUro9x5MU

(not sure who the people are but they seem plenty happy, the animals too)
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