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 Post subject: Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]
Post #41 Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Move 37 Prisoners: B=0, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O O X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X W . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, I read this out, and I think I can get at least a seki. There is also a ko possibility but I'm not sure I can win it yet. Either way this move absolutely necessary to reduce liberties of that black chain.


Some variations:
If B resists the following is a one way street:

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[go]$$Bc W8 at a gives Black choice of ko or seki
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O O X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X a . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc ko variation : Black takes first. I have threat at 'a' but Black will probably ignore, and while I gain locally I end in gote. This might not be good enough.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 O O X X O O X a X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 5 X O X O . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 X X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 2 O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I do this..

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 O O X X O O X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 1 X O X 5 . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 2 X X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This ko seems to favor me quite a bit. I even have a local ko threat at e11, and I can't spot any for Black.

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 Post subject: Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]
Post #42 Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Move 38 Prisoners: B=0, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O O X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White has chosen to seal me in. I'm okay with this because white has little profit and no moyo.

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[go]$$Wc Move 39 Prisoners: B=0, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O O X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 5 X O X . a . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O X 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 3 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White could try something like this to eat into my territory on the left, which wasn't very much to begin with. White would get thickness that doesn't seem particularly useful, and the group's shape is vulnerable at A.


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[go]$$Bc Move 39 Prisoners: B=0, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O O X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X 5 1 2 O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O 4 a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After this exchange, black can put pressure on white at points like a or b.

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Post #43 Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:46 am 
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[go]$$Wc Move 39 Prisoners: B=0, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O O X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Feel free to add in these forced moves for me.

I guess I panicked for nothing.

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Post #44 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:33 pm 
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