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Offline Aphelion
 Post subject: Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Post #121 Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:29 pm 
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Balmung, if you wish we could treat this as an open game where we could see each other's comments. I think it will be a good learning experience :razz:
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Offline balmung
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Post #122 Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:32 pm 
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That is fine.

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Post #123 Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:34 pm 
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Alright, its your move then :)
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Post #124 Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



my thoughts


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[go]$$B1cm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . a X W X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

originaly I didn't read this out right I didn't realize 7 and a might be miai correct me if I'm wrong but a at move 8 seems to make this a even harder fight in your favor, and I might be wrong about sequence of moves.

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Offline EdLee
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Post #125 Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:14 pm 
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balmung wrote:
my thoughts
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[go]$$B
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X W X . . |
$$. 3 O X 7 . . |
$$. 5 4 6 . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]
W would get a very big corner:
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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 W X 4 . . |
$$. . 5 6 8 . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]
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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Post #126 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:10 am 
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@Ed Lee:

Why wouldn't black play like this?

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 . . |
$$. . 7 5 6 . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Then he also has this later:
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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . O O . . |
$$. . X O X 6 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. X . X O 2 . |
$$. . X X O 1 4 |
$$. . . . 3 5 . |
$$---------------[/go]


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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 6 . |
$$. . . 5 . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Or perhaps white would respond like this. Does that stone have much aji?
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Offline amnal
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Post #127 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:33 am 
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Puppycakes wrote:
@Ed Lee:

Why wouldn't black play like this?

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 . . |
$$. . 7 5 6 . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Then he also has this later:
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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . O O . . |
$$. . X O X 6 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. X . X O 2 . |
$$. . X X O 1 4 |
$$. . . . 3 5 . |
$$---------------[/go]


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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 6 . |
$$. . . 5 . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Or perhaps white would respond like this. Does that stone have much aji?

EDIT: Seems like a lot of aji.

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . 4 . |
$$. . . O O 3 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. . X O X 5 9 |
$$. X . X O 1 6 |
$$. . X X O 2 7 |
$$. . . . . . 8 |
$$---------------[/go]
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #128 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:42 am 
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amnal wrote:
Puppycakes wrote:
@Ed Lee:

Why wouldn't black play like this?

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 . . |
$$. . 7 5 6 . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Then he also has this later:
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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . O O . . |
$$. . X O X 6 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. X . X O 2 . |
$$. . X X O 1 4 |
$$. . . . 3 5 . |
$$---------------[/go]


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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 6 . |
$$. . . 5 . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Or perhaps white would respond like this. Does that stone have much aji?

EDIT: Seems like a lot of aji.

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . 4 . |
$$. . . O O 3 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. . X O X 5 9 |
$$. X . X O 1 6 |
$$. . X X O 2 7 |
$$. . . . . . 8 |
$$---------------[/go]


Observers:
Edlee's variation is sente for black, yours is gote. Also in the last diagram, 6 is better at 7, and then black is unconditionally dead.
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Post #129 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:54 am 
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amnal wrote:
Puppycakes wrote:
@Ed Lee:

Why wouldn't black play like this?

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 . . |
$$. . 7 5 6 . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Then he also has this later:
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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . O O . . |
$$. . X O X 6 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. X . X O 2 . |
$$. . X X O 1 4 |
$$. . . . 3 5 . |
$$---------------[/go]


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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 6 . |
$$. . . 5 . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Or perhaps white would respond like this. Does that stone have much aji?

EDIT: Seems like a lot of aji.

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . 4 . |
$$. . . O O 3 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. . X O X 5 9 |
$$. X . X O 1 6 |
$$. . X X O 2 7 |
$$. . . . . . 8 |
$$---------------[/go]



So this sequence looks fine.
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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 W X 4 6 . |
$$. . . 5 a . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


I was just wondering if there was a reason that Ed thought that black would take with five instead of extending. I was wondering about ways for white to exploit the aji of the marked stone later.

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. b . O O . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. X W X O O . |
$$. . . X a . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Like the jump to b.

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[go]$$W :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. 1 . O O . . |
$$2 . X O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. X O X O O . |
$$. . . X . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Which I perhaps black could respond with the jump to 2 and I think the exchange was bad.
So I'm wondering if there is a good reason for black to not extend.
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 Post subject: Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Post #130 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:08 pm 
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Shaddy wrote:
amnal wrote:
Puppycakes wrote:
@Ed Lee:

Why wouldn't black play like this?

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 . . |
$$. . 7 5 6 . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Then he also has this later:
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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . O O . . |
$$. . X O X 6 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. X . X O 2 . |
$$. . X X O 1 4 |
$$. . . . 3 5 . |
$$---------------[/go]


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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 O X 4 6 . |
$$. . . 5 . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]


Or perhaps white would respond like this. Does that stone have much aji?

EDIT: Seems like a lot of aji.

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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . 4 . |
$$. . . O O 3 . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. . X O X 5 9 |
$$. X . X O 1 6 |
$$. . X X O 2 7 |
$$. . . . . . 8 |
$$---------------[/go]


Observers:
Edlee's variation is sente for black, yours is gote. Also in the last diagram, 6 is better at 7, and then black is unconditionally dead.

Ok, that makes sense. For some reason I was thinking that either way of playing ended in the same status for sente/gote.
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@Puppycakes.
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[go]$$B :b7: at :wc:
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O . . . |
$$. . . 2 O . . |
$$. . 1 O X . . |
$$. . X O X . . |
$$. 3 W X 4 . . |
$$. . 5 6 8 . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]
What Shaddy said. :) Sente/gote is very big.
Also, W may not be able to atari at :w6: if W cannot afford the ko,
in which case W would just extend to :w8: directly, so B still has sente.
So the :b5: capture is clean, clear, good aji (for B), and sente -- all the good stuff. :)
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 Post subject: Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Post #132 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:57 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm12 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Balmung, you can read all my hide tags, I just use them for organization.
This is the kind of move you don't even bother thinking about. White simply has to connect here for his previous moves to have any meaning. Now, Black has a choice. He either fixes his cut and the fight becomes complicated, or he takes outside thickness and sacrifices the corner. I'm happy with either.

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[go]$$Wcm12 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wonder if white can sacrifice one more stone to end in sente in above variation...

Or it can get really messy:

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[go]$$Wcm10 First variation that comes to mind.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 4 5 X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Post #133 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . 1 O X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is this okay because I want the outside influence and you said you happy either way

Is it better to jump out or connect my two stones in the upper right? tell me what you think I really feel the jump is more valuable and I think you spliting invasion is an ok price to pay.

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 Post subject: Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Post #134 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:26 am 
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Aphelion wrote:

the messy variant
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[go]$$Wcm10 First variation that comes to mind.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 4 5 X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Several remarks:
i) general: the heuristic 'capture the cutting stone' is more often than not a safe guidance.
Hence, the first diagram with side-ponuki for Black and corner for White is preferred by me.

ii) technically:
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[go]$$Wcm10
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X b a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

often one should consider the hanging connection, as shown here.
However here this would be so weird after an white A, B (+ C?) exchange,
that again, I go back to remark i) 'Capture the cutting stone'.

iii) Tesuji :w9: must induce exchange A-B, which white happily accepts for the lower side.
WD could follow.
What comes hereafter is speculation to me, yet I evaluate it not bad at all for White.

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[go]$$Wcm10 tesuji to be looked at
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a c . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . b 7 6 X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 4 5 X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



iv) Other suji is the simple extension, threatening a ladder A-E,
even if Black extends to F (hence he might bamboo @ G),
allowing W to jump out with J.

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[go]$$Wcm10 other variation
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . j . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . g f . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . e c Y O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . d b a O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , n m X O X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . p o . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black's resistance M is better not answered by hane N, if W wants to keep her 3 stones below (as they might be valuable against the black corner), hence a submissive jump to P seems ok, and B will extend at N.

I tried to cover something in variations.


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Kyu-Joseki variation.sgf [1.14 KiB]
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Post #135 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:27 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm18 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yea, I'm fine with this. Looking at this, Black position on the board feels a little low overall. I'm not quite sure how that is immediately exploitable or even bad at first glance, but there's no rush. I can just take this large point so far. I'm choosing high instead of low because the low move seems to make the board seem too settled and boring. I want to invite a fight on the left.
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Post #136 Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:07 am 
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Is there a strategic difference between finishing the 3-4 enclosure with the 4-5 and finishing it with the 3-5? I get that the 4-5 has an open skirt (is that the right term, when there's no black stone under it yet?) and is higher, 3-5 grips the corner the corner a little more strongly, but what's the strategic purpose you're trying to accomplish when you choose one over the other?
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Post #137 Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:11 am 
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Post #138 Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:40 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
Playing high makes it possible to develop in two directions.

Ah, ok - C12 and H16?
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Post #139 Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:54 am 
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That's the idea, although H16 is way too close on this board.

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daniel_the_smith wrote:
That's the idea, although H16 is way too close on this board.

Thanks.
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