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Post #261 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:58 am 
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is he going to answer?


Reminds me of a story I heard about somebody playing a pro (I don't remember who) once; it was a 4 or 5 stone game in a simul - mid-endgame, the pro played a move that looked like a vital point but didn't really threaten anything. When the player played elsewhere the pro resigned. When asked about the move later the pro responded "I wanted to see if you knew how to tenuki."

Implying (I believe) that if the amateur didn't, the pro would probably be able to whittle away one or two points in sente everywhere around the board, until he was ahead.


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Post #262 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:45 pm 
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Post #263 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:49 pm 
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Post #264 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:52 pm 
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Post #265 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:55 pm 
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Post #266 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:57 pm 
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Post #267 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:58 pm 
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Post #268 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:01 pm 
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Post #269 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:02 pm 
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Post #270 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:06 pm 
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Post #271 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:09 pm 
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Post #272 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:13 pm 
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Post #273 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:17 pm 
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Post #274 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:20 pm 
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Thanks, Magicwand. I am sorry for the mistakes that happened in this game.

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Post #275 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:25 pm 
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Nice job Kirby! I doubted you when the center died, but your drive to the end is impressive :).


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Post #276 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:27 pm 
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If you don't mind, I would like to ask about this move:


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[go]$$Wcm51 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 O X X O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move feels strong to me - but I do not think I would have discovered it since it is gote.

How do you decide to make a move like this, though gote.

Ok, my next move after this was gote, but it somehow seems different.

Could you please describe this move?

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Post #277 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:32 pm 
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Aphelion wrote:
Nice job Kirby! I doubted you when the center died, but your drive to the end is impressive :).


Thanks, Aphelion.

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Post #278 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:46 pm 
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Congratulations, and thank you both for playing! This game was entertaining (and hopefully useful, if I can remember a few of the specific things I learned this game). MW in particular, it's been mentioned elsewhere, but your comments are more and more useful. Kirby, I think I sent you a message the first time I saw you play a Malkovitch, but your comments have always been helpful. Keep it up, I appreciate it.

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Post #279 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:26 pm 
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Post #280 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:36 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
If you don't mind, I would like to ask about this move:


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 O X X O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move feels strong to me - but I do not think I would have discovered it since it is gote.

How do you decide to make a move like this, though gote.

Ok, my next move after this was gote, but it somehow seems different.

Could you please describe this move?


i feel that is the only move i can make in that situation.
if you atari it will breakdown white influence in sente.
i needed some influence to overcome 3 stone handy.

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