It is currently Tue May 20, 2025 11:02 am

View unanswered posts | View active topics View unread posts | View new posts | View your posts


Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » 1-on-1 Malkovich games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 3 of 17
  [ 331 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 17  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #41 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:37 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 502
Location: Coloradao USA
Liked others: 50
Was liked: 12
Rank: malk-5k
KGS: go1986
im playing this move because it is sente and it helps establish my weak group, i should have played it first to continue the KO and get to play n16 for free, but i'll get better :blackeye:

so far my thoughts on the board
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm28 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O 2 . . . 5 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:study:


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm20 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
standing still means going backwards
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #42 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:40 pm 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1223
Liked others: 738
Was liked: 239
Rank: OGS 2d
KGS: illluck
Tygem: Trickprey
OGS: illluck
Losing a ko without following up on the threat can't be good.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #43 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:02 pm 
Gosei

Posts: 1387
Liked others: 139
Was liked: 111
GD Posts: 209
KGS: Marcus316
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm20 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Play a ko threat, then don't follow through after ... not the best way to play a ko.

This is pretty big. Top is still unsettled, though.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #44 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:13 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
illluck wrote:
This is pretty big. Top is still unsettled, though.

it is about 20 point big... but not urgent at all.

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #45 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:21 pm 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1223
Liked others: 738
Was liked: 239
Rank: OGS 2d
KGS: illluck
Tygem: Trickprey
OGS: illluck
I'm not sure I agree with white's last move. It feels like sansan and the extension are miai locally. Playing the sansan now will encourage black to extend on the bottom, which puts pressure on the O3 stone. It feels to me like white should extend from O3 instead, which makes the sansan a good move for black, after which white can extend on the right side, putting pressure on the C13 stone and hopefully making that and the N17 area miai?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm29 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . a O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . X . . . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: after reading Magicwand's post, it does seem like the top is much more urgent than the bottom.


@Magicwand: I think you misquoted - Marcus said that, not I :p
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #46 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:48 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
illluck wrote:
@Magicwand: I think you misquoted - Marcus said that, not I :p


:) my bad...
i knew something wasnt right. i just didnt know what..

at this rate..1986 can win this game.

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #47 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:09 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 502
Location: Coloradao USA
Liked others: 50
Was liked: 12
Rank: malk-5k
KGS: go1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I’m not sure why he played the corner, I’m mean sure it’s big, but I’m not done fighting up top yet. I’m thinking it’s more important because my groups are not comfortable up there yet
But this was a thought at first to just respond

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I’m more focused on the top right now and n17 has been a move that’s been on my mind especially since he ignored me :mad: (make him pay for that)

Maybe I’m wrong because I really don't know where to play, I wish I could call a life line just for this move just because, well let me show u

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don’t like this undercut it rips BIG territory, so maybe this instead

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . 2 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . X . . . a . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but I don’t like this either, I even like (a) more, and I don’t like the top either he gets n17 and that’s GREAT, because like I said my groups are uncomfortable on the top side still

Hmmm. what would a pro do?

Even if he does undercut I’m sure I can pick up something big elsewhere to make up for it so I’m sticking with n17 :study:

_________________
standing still means going backwards
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #48 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:08 pm 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1223
Liked others: 738
Was liked: 239
Rank: OGS 2d
KGS: illluck
Tygem: Trickprey
OGS: illluck
Yeah, now that I see 30 on the board it is insane that I actually thought bottom was worth playing on XD It feels like black has kept (and probably augmented) his initial advantage. On the other hand, white has made the situation more complicated - I guess a move like J3 next? The top right corner is still open (not to mention that there may be interesting dual threat moves on top later for white), so the board is still pretty unsettled.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #49 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:59 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1387
Liked others: 139
Was liked: 111
GD Posts: 209
KGS: Marcus316
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . 2 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


See, this is why Malkovich games make me so self-conscious ... look at the board ... I'm guessing there should be at least 4 stones difference in our skill (I'm a little weaker than 2k, he's likely slightly stronger than 8k in a slow game like this). Should the board really look like this?

I take comfort in the fact that I am almost ALWAYS behind after the first 50-75 moves. Well, not MUCH comfort ...

Go is supposed to be a beautiful game, right? I'm afraid my play style is very ugly. Sorry.

Anyways, self-pity aside, the only path is forward. More complications, please!
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #50 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:08 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 502
Location: Coloradao USA
Liked others: 50
Was liked: 12
Rank: malk-5k
KGS: go1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . 3 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this move is Very urgent, its a wedge played to split the groups.
anything soft he would make good shape right in the middel of the bottom
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . 4 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is inside weak group move out but No; not good for me at all, i was thinking something like this

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . 3 . O . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , 7 6 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . 3 . O . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but now this battel has turned into a full fledge war, i need a moment of silence just to think about this , its making alot of groups. something will come :grumpy:

_________________
standing still means going backwards
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #51 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:15 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1223
Liked others: 738
Was liked: 239
Rank: OGS 2d
KGS: illluck
Tygem: Trickprey
OGS: illluck
I like black's spirit, but not sure if complicating the game is a good idea. White is very unlikely to Q2 as that just helps black's corner - instead white will probably play something like M5 and it becomes a complicated running fight. If I were black I would probably have just played G5, which will leave invasion potential on the white group anyways (for example, in 1986's variation, black has L3 later).

Edit: "...white will probably play something like M5" is a mistake - I meant O5. I still need to master this thing called the alphabet XD


Last edited by illluck on Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #52 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:55 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1387
Liked others: 139
Was liked: 111
GD Posts: 209
KGS: Marcus316
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And now, we degrade into all out fighting. I truly hope I don't embarrass myself too much in this game ... :D
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #53 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:50 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 502
Location: Coloradao USA
Liked others: 50
Was liked: 12
Rank: malk-5k
KGS: go1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i wonder what he is thinking here my guess is
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


maybe but that damages the right side of the board for white

the way i see it is im making two white weak groups by spliting them , i know i can't catch both of them & i dont like how my group on the left is getting behind enemy lines (sector lines that is) it is a inside weak group..... but for now my mission is to keep him seperated

if i help the left group then this could happen

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 . 4 . . . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


the one stone is easier to sacrifice but overall whites group looks better, might as well ran with the weak group earlier,

globally starting from the G line towards the right side white does not a have a group that setteled, (and he is out numbered)

if i can get him running towards the cetner or push him to the left, i could build influence and thickness to make it hard for white to get comfortable,

its a 2 way battle on the bottom and a two way battle up top with unsetteled groups

so this could get messy if you don't pay attention to the whole board.

every move counts im finna zone in on my board at home see u guys later
:study:

_________________
standing still means going backwards
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #54 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:15 pm 
Gosei

Posts: 1387
Liked others: 139
Was liked: 111
GD Posts: 209
KGS: Marcus316
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Points. I'm feeling a bit better about my own position in this game. Gotta fight the good fight, right?
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #55 Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:07 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 502
Location: Coloradao USA
Liked others: 50
Was liked: 12
Rank: malk-5k
KGS: go1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this is pretty simple
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . 7 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 8 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . 7 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


either way he takes the corner, and i get outside and that is fine with me because he is making his bottom left weaker

he is making me stronger by invading the corner and giving me thickness.

he gets some points but its not a big deal because he is enclosed, he gets sente too, so that will be interesting

well off to bed late night tonight :salute:

_________________
standing still means going backwards
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Sur
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #56 Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:20 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 128
Location: Czech republic
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 1
Am I the only one that likes white better in this game? And most of 1986's diagrams look very off to me, he doesn't play his opponent's most obvious moves imo. I've noticed this in more 1986's Malkovich games. But I think he holds pretty well in this game. I would bet on white anytime, but I expected more of a carnage :-P I don't like white's most recent moves, I think he stood very well and should just took black's corners. But hey, I'm 7k KGS :-)
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #57 Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:11 am 
Tengen

Posts: 4382
Location: Caldas da Rainha, Portugal
Liked others: 499
Was liked: 733
Rank: AGA 3k
GD Posts: 65
OGS: Hyperpape 4k
Sur: Yes. Black's diagrams are way off. He does qualify this one by saying "it hurts White's right side". But really, 1986: you should probably forget that moves like this exist. You'll see an improvement from always considering your opponent's strongest response, not what you hope he plays.
1986 wrote:
i wonder what he is thinking here my guess is
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


maybe but that damages the right side of the board for white

the way i see it is im making two white weak groups by spliting them , i know i can't catch both of them & i dont like how my group on the left is getting behind enemy lines (sector lines that is) it is a inside weak group..... but for now my mission is to keep him seperated

if i help the left group then this could happen

_________________
Occupy Babel!
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #58 Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:19 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1387
Liked others: 139
Was liked: 111
GD Posts: 209
KGS: Marcus316
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #59 Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:27 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 502
Location: Coloradao USA
Liked others: 50
Was liked: 12
Rank: malk-5k
KGS: go1986
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


wow i probably got 3 hours of sleep, i just took my friend to work and now im going back to bed. i already talked about this move in a previous post :cool: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

_________________
standing still means going backwards
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #60 Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:16 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1387
Liked others: 139
Was liked: 111
GD Posts: 209
KGS: Marcus316
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm30 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Playing here allows me to stretch to S6 instead of S5 in the standard variation.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm38 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . X . O 5 X O . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 O 4 2 . |
$$ . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]


The standard variation I'm talking about:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm38 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . 4 . |
$$ , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . X . O 3 X O . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 O 2 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]


For those who haven't encountered this before, here's what can happen if you try to extend too far after R2 instead of S2:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm38 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ . . X . . . . 6 5 0 |
$$ , . . . . . X 7 8 . |
$$ . . X . O 3 X O 9 . |
$$ . . . . . 1 O 2 B . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]


In this variation Black takes the corner, and White's semi-living group ( :w41: :w43: :w45: :w47: ) is going to be in a bunch of trouble. This would be a disaster for White.
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 3 of 17
  [ 331 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 17  Next

Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » 1-on-1 Malkovich games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group