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Offline Sevis
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #81 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm24 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O 6 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess this is good, but hm... I have the feeling white will slide underneath on the left.
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Offline topazg
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Post #82 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:44 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Central facing influence is more useful to me than edge points right now, so going to make shape:

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[go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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@topazg:
topazg wrote:
I still think you're too thin with that, some of your diagrams
Yes, there are many variations and B must play correctly, but B should be fine. :)
topazg wrote:
but as the moves you've proposed don't actually kill, the direction of Black's resulting position is quite important.
B does not need to kill; only to close W. And B H8 is correct direction. :) Back to the game.
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 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #84 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:51 pm 
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Spoiler:

If I was Black, I'd be tempted to play:

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[go]$$Wcm31 "a" and "b" sort of miai?
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . b , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Spoiler.
:b30: is loose (re: post #75):
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O 4 O . 7 . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 1 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . 2 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #86 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:01 pm 
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EdLee wrote:
@topazg:
topazg wrote:
I still think you're too thin with that, some of your diagrams
Yes, there are many variations and B must play correctly, but B should be fine. :)
topazg wrote:
but as the moves you've proposed don't actually kill, the direction of Black's resulting position is quite important.
B does not need to kill; only to close W. And B H8 is correct direction. :) Back to the game.


@Ed:

If you say so. We can agree to disagree then :)
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Offline Sevis
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Post #87 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:03 pm 
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First instinct is to offer the stone some help from the other side, but I think that's going to turn out to be a horrible idea, seeing as it'll make that white group even stronger...

Wait a second. That stone is two points. The area around it is, hm, eight points? Tenuki is probably best. I could go with `the enemy's vital point is my vital point' and play where 33 was supposed to go, but I think I can do better, as white will play G8... But then, white will play G8 anyway. Going to think about it.
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@topazg (open after :w27:):
topazg wrote:
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 O 1 c . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 X X O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
When you state that Black has a big corner, I'm guessing you overlooked the above continuation,
I did not overlook :w2: to :b5:, which is bad habit:
(1) aji keshi: for a very few points, W fixes all of B's bad aji here and makes B super strong;
kills 2 ko threats, and the W (c) clamp is no longer sente, etc.
(2) After :b5:, W is still not alive (e.g., needs :w6:, etc. so W gets gote).
topazg wrote:
:bc: is most definitely less stable,
As we already discussed, :bc: is fine. :) Back to the game.
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Post #89 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:29 pm 
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@Ed:

You have very definitive opinions for a 4k.
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@topazg:
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If you say so. We can agree to disagree then :)
When W jumps to :w2: directly, I moved :b7: down from (a).
The double hane variation was when B has an extra stone at (b), so B (a) was OK (not thin :) ):
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . 3 . . a . . .
$$ | . . O O 4 O . 7 . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . X X 1 5 b . .
$$ | . . . X . O O . 2 , .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------[/go]
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@topazg:
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You have very definitive opinions for a 4k.
Let the stones do the talking. :) I am super slow;
I drop 2-3 stones at "mickey mouse" tournament time controls. :-?
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EdLee wrote:
@topazg:
topazg wrote:
You have very definitive opinions for a 4k.
Let the stones do the talking. :) I am super slow;
I drop 2-3 stones at "mickey mouse" tournament time controls. :-?


That still makes 1-2k ... I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just very aware that even as a dan player, my precision in variations is really spectacular poor compared to professional play. I have spotted a number of things on your variations that you seem to have missed, and disagree with your conclusions on some others (though going through to the nth iteration with further disagreements on here seems fruitless outside of the game in question), and I'm sure a high dan would do the same to me, and a pro would do the same to them.

It seems only appropriate to have some humility with ideas and variations, and your constant "sorry, you're wrong and I'm right, and this is why" is kind of getting to me. Perhaps I shouldn't let it, but particularly in an educational context, I don't see false certainty as particularly constructive. It's something I've always admired about Bill, who not only puts forward really good variations and ideas, but does it in an impressively humble manner for someone so strong.

EDIT: Having calmed down a bit, I also want to stress that I do value your thoughts, ideas, and variations. Even when I disagree, it's really good having as much input as possible :)
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Post #93 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:18 pm 
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:b9: appears to be correct. your knight move is completely wrong. it is like.."exit is this way. please go out and save yourself" move.
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 1 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O 2 . 6 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #94 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:29 pm 
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@magicwand:

I apologise, I obviously wasn't very clear. I wasn't suggesting the knight's move as the way that Black should play, just that it is a more common shape, and that I believe the alternative suggested by Ed to be too thin. For what it is worth, my reading was:

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[go]$$Bc Black's walls seem too close to me
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 4 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X 5 3 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . B B B B B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc White seems ok here as well?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 4 . 2 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X 6 3 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . B B B B B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc White seems ok here as well?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 X 9 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 4 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 X 7 3 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I couldn't find anything that great for :b3: on the other side either:

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[go]$$Bc White seems ok here as well?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 X 9 7 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 X 3 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O 5 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #95 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:41 pm 
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in my opinion your reading is limited to cutting.
i can think of many different way to answer :b1: that is better than your variation and is good for black.
i am not going to say Ed's move is correct but it appears to be correct.
imo it is not thin. it is very solid (in different persepective).
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$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 2 , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O O . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #96 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:45 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
toapzg:
in my opinion your reading is limited to cutting.
i can think of many different way to answer :b1: that is better than your variation and is good for black.
i am not going to say Ed's move is correct but it appears to be correct.
imo it is not thin. it is very solid (in different persepective).


My reading above was a response to Ed's suggestion of a cut, hence its focus around cutting. I agree with you, I don't think Black should cut either.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #97 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:51 pm 
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i am sorry for trying to lecture you while you are strong as me.
your reading is probably better than mine :)

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Post #98 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:57 pm 
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topazg:
i am sorry for trying to lecture you while you are strong as me.
your reading is probably better than mine :)


Hehe, one day I hope that might be true, you are definitely a stronger player than I am :)

I'd happily trade my skills for yours in a situation like this one, this is the kind of position where you end up killing things from nowhere!
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Offline Sevis
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Post #99 Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:33 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is a fairly decent move. Saving that one stone doesn't look worth it, and with this, I'm getting some influence, putting much more pressure on the white group, and messing up white's plan. I'm expecting an attack on the left as white attempts to make some eyespace, or an expansion to the right as white tries to expand his territory. Although, is `try' the right word when success is guaranteed?
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Post #100 Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:21 am 
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I thought Ed Lee was 3d or 4d.
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