So, here's the archive of this game up to this point. Let me know if there are any problems :)
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 4. sumiyaka (4k) vs. kex (4k) |
As the game stands...
And I have a HUGE favor to ask of those that made comments... is it possible to either unhide them go-discussions if they are readable by kex and I? It might even be sweeter if you could post them here, with move numbers. I know its a lot to ask. But, I'd be extremely greatful. Who knows how long GD will remain up. Here is an SGF on how we got here. Okay... no move tonight I gotta let kex know I moved this, although I know he thinks its a good idea to do so! |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
If you check the other Malkovich threads, you'll see that Joaz is going to be revamping this section and we should wait until after tonight to start these games again in case any information is lost. However, after he is done, I will upload all of your malkovich game with kex up to this point in a .zip file, and I will do the same for all the other Malkovich games that have been or will be reposted from GoDiiscussions. That way, they'll be safe and secure on this new forum and our own computers. |
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| Author: | Phelan [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
Dusk Eagle wrote: If you check the other Malkovich threads, you'll see that Joaz is going to be revamping this section and we should wait until after tonight to start these games again in case any information is lost. However, after he is done, I will upload all of your malkovich game with kex up to this point in a .zip file, and I will do the same for all the other Malkovich games that have been or will be reposted from GoDiiscussions. That way, they'll be safe and secure on this new forum and our own computers. I was planning on doing the same. Are you archiving all the GD pages, or just the moves? I was planning on doing the former. |
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| Author: | kex [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
Great! I would really appreciate, if an admin would transfer the thread, as we as players should not read the hidden comments before the game end. That way we could really get rid of the old forum and just concentrate on the game. To sumiyaka - take your time before moving. There is no rush. |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
Phelan: I was archiving every post in the active (non-finished) Malkovich threads. I could archive the finished Malkovich threads as well if I get around to it. I am not archiving non-Malkovich threads, if that is what you meant. When I get home I'll get the archive for this game posted. |
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| Author: | Phelan [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
Nope, I meant exactly what you are doing, I think. I've archived the rengo and the big brother. |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:02 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 | ||
So, here's the archive of this game up to this point. Let me know if there are any problems :)
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
Tomorrow I will move. Today, I bummed about my busted board  The move itself is decided. But, the actual Malkovich ...
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 Move 51 |
I'm back I'm back in the saddle again I'm back I'm back in the saddle again Aerosmith, Back in the saddle again We shall resume! Note... apparently the "show diagram" leaves spaces in front of the diagram and our diagrammer doesn't like that.... EDIT: Hmm, its not the "show diagram" fault. But, in any event, our diagram builder hates whitespace in front of each line
Looking at the black mess of stones to the right, living shouldn't be an issue. Although I get all battered and pushed around in the process. I'd make diagrams, but I'm trying to keep that in my head. If I'm wrong, I will remember why easier if my opponent shows me, than if I catch it in a diagram. Jim, on the other hand needs help. I expect white to play at one of the points marked 'a'. If white ignores 'b' I have the following move
After this plays out, I'm going to turn my attention back to the white group in the top if possible. While doing so, I will no longer be interested in tossing the marked black stones. |
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| Author: | kex [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Move 52 |
OK. So black will get out, and tries to do that creating a strong wall between the white groups. First, the move weakens a bit the group on the right. Cutting would require another tenuki, though.
Well... anything like this is pretty nonprobable. Black would more likely aim at strengthening the wall:
Then attack the white group on the left of the wall. The first move that came to my mind was this:
But the black move at a would make the white group suffer badly  . The forcing stone does not actually strengthen the white group...How about fixing all possible cuts from the other side? The problem with that peep is that black can lean against the white stones to make the wall stronger:
Continuing with trying to cut leads to the situation already thought about earlier - not so good for white:
Black swallows half the group and the remaining part is in misery. I think the best thing to do is to strengthen the white group calmly:
As an added bonus, it keeps pressure on the black group running. I just have to be careful that the white group on the right side is kept alive. Luckily, I have the forcing moves against the corner in store. |
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Move 53 |
You don't tug on Superman's cape You don't spit into the wind You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger And you don't mess around with Jim --Jim Croce, You don't mess around with Jim
Heh, we both found that point important. I should have mentioned what I thought I'd do if white played over there. Well, here it is.
I will potentially have the peep at 'a' later. Here are a few of the contiuations I see. This is a bit of a nervous fight, but no matter...
White could cut, and then I'll figure out what my plan shall be from there... Maybe...
The real thing is I need to be careful of not hurting my right corner group too. That is what makes this difficult. One mistake in these games and you have groups on the ropes... |
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| Author: | kex [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | move 54 |
I am not sure about what should I deduce from my opponent's lyrics this time  I am pretty confident at the moment, despite of his tone. The reason of that is this:
There are two cutting points left here. The move that instantly came to my mind here is this:
It fixes all cutting point problems, leaves the cutting points intact. But there are a couple of other moves to consider before moving:
The moves a and b are for strengthening the corner group. If black tenukies, there is a significant danger of dying in the corner. Especially a is bad for black. B is something that black can defend from by playing near a. But there is a fun sequence, if things get too far. 7 seems sente here
My feeling is that I should start by 3 here, and if black plays as expected:
Well, it seems black cannot play as expected So black will probably defend, and white will have time to protect the cut, and simultaneously threatening the cut by playing at a. Black will probably then defend, giving white one or two nice peeps.Hmm... It seems I am dreaming
This starts to look bad... Starting from the lower part seems to lead to losing the two stones on the side, because I have no time to protect them with 7, which are I think important cutting stones. Starting from above:
Black will unlikely play without protecting at 4, especially since white play there will guarantee the second eye for white, white threatening black corner. Then white will have time for playing 5. Let's look closer. The option for 4 is cutting
I think both white group are sane, as there are the lettered moves to work with. And now, the question is: should I force with 1 first, or protect the cut first? I think I need to force first, as just protecting gives black the possibility to push on. So there the move |
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
Debating whether I want to play chicken or not. If my reading is correct, white can kill the corner now with one move if I don't respond. That is worth about 30 points. So, its very big. I don't want to respond, because I'm stubborn. I could play N5 and threaten a ponnuki. They say those are worth 30 points But, I'd have to do something useful with it. I'll simmer a bit longer. I hate being forced around, but I may not have a choice, but being predictable is so boring  |
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Move 55 |
Gib: [over radio] All right twinkle toes, what's your exit strategy? Harry: I'm gonna walk right out of the front gate. -- True Lies
This isn't like me. But, these games are for a few reasons. Learning, entertainment of the players, and observers. This move seems to give white an interesting choice. Plus its much more fun for me than being submissive. If I lose because of it, I'll be upset (cause I lost), but will sleep better knowing I made a more interesting move... I think the following diagram might be better for black than the next one in the hands of strong player. Even though I'm not a strong player I should strive to play like one
better? than.... which allows white to move where-ever and the outside isn't safe.
White could be conservative... thus...
We shall see. |
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| Author: | kex [ Sat May 01, 2010 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | move 56 |
My first thought, seeing this move, was - this is a thank-you move. I did want to play here:
It protects the cut at c, and leaves the peep at a to strengthen the white group , and the cut at b. And, white can still attack the black group in the corner. There is this move:
but I don't think it is a big problem. The two marked black groups are too weak to make a real problem with eye stealing. |
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Mon May 03, 2010 6:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
Really quick today...
Makes it a little easier to live... and doesn't hurt my other stones too badly now they are connected enough. I think.
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| Author: | kex [ Wed May 05, 2010 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | move 58 |
I find this truth to be self evident - that I must block.
The marked black group still have no eye space, there is a peep and a cutting point. So I must make sure black cannot connect underneath to the corner. The way I block is the simplest one, and puts most pressure in the corner. I'll still have a couple of forcing moves against the corner for later. The move black actually made is better than the one I was considering earlier, as black has sente. Good that black forced me to cover the cutting point before playing here. |
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Wed May 05, 2010 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down, Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town, I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime, But is there because he's a victim of the times. -- Johnny Cash, Man in Black
No surprise here... If it wasn't for Jim, I'd do the following, but I want W6 open for Black...
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| Author: | kex [ Sat May 08, 2010 3:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
My first idea was to cut - it is a big move:
Now black has to defend, from a or b, if black wants to live in the corner. But - it is only a sente move. What can black do then?
But why would black play here? There is no threat to white - that would just be a reverse sente move for black. Big - yes, but urgent? No. As for the health of the white group:
If things get tough, white has the option of starting to make an eye on the side with a and the option to run to the centre, while threatening the marked black stones, with something around b. So I think what I should do is strengthen the group on the middle, while attacking the weak black group:
The cut at a is such that black needs to think about now. And what can white do with the wall? It is time to think about the lower left corner. What to do with it. I still have no idea about that, but having strength around with sente does not hurt.
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| Author: | sumiyaka [ Mon May 10, 2010 6:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 |
I don't see another move.... But P5 seems interesting |
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