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 Post subject: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Post #1 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:56 pm 
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Loons has agreed to play a Malkovich game with me. He's going to be playing white, with 6.5 komi.

Good luck, Loons!

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In my game against topazg, I didn't read carefully enough. I must not let that happen this time. This game I will try to concentrate on two things:

1.) Reading - I must not be lazy.
2.) Flow - As Magicwand says, I can get it if I can expose his weakness. I will lose it when my own weakness is exposed.

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Post #2 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:30 pm 
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Do spectators prefer coords on the game board ? My preference is just on sorta discussion diagrams.

Enjoy.

My plan is to play an overwhelmingly boring game and see how it goes.

I play orthogonally to starting 4-4s so I have options considering the bottom right in fuseki. I don't mind diagonal fuseki.

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Post #3 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:11 pm 
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Excited to follow this game. As a fellow up and coming 1k-2k player, I've been watching Loons progress for a while, and of course Kirby is well known in these Malkovich games.

I have rarely played 33 as either color, so that will be interesting to watch as well.

Play well!


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Good game.

Loons,
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My plan is to play an overwhelmingly boring game and see how it goes.
This may result in a difficult, tedious, and tiring end-game starting at move 40. Have fun! :)


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Post #5 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:33 am 
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This should be an interesting match. I see 3-3 played periodically, but not as often as 4-4 and 3-4. I don't have much else to say at this point, except that it's a pity to see the coordinates leave.

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Post #6 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:38 am 
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Loons wrote:
Do spectators prefer coords on the game board ? My preference is just on sorta discussion diagrams.


Up to ya'all, but my personal 2 cents is that it helps to have the coordinates there so they're available (in case, for example, I discuss the game with a friend off of the forum). That said, it is useful, of course, to not become reliant on the coordinates, as discussion diagrams are very useful.

edit: I am also very eager to watch this game, as I've been chasing after Loons since I met him, and Kirby's such a stand-up guy.

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Post #7 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:07 am 
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*pokes head in*

Hey, cool!

I am also watching this game with interest. I still feel like I stole the win from Kirby in the L19 tournament (I'm proud of the game I played, but Kirby definitely made me work hard for it).

And Loons, well, we've played a couple times on KGS, and I drop by and watch some of his games there on occasion ... usually we go into crazy variations quickly when we do.

Let's see how this game plays out. Good luck to both!


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Post #8 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:16 am 
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...I still feel like I stole the win from Kirby in the L19 tournament (I'm proud of the game I played, but Kirby definitely made me work hard for it).

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Ah, rubbing my face in my loss again, eh? :)

I guess we will need to play again, sometime.

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Post #9 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:02 am 
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...I still feel like I stole the win from Kirby in the L19 tournament (I'm proud of the game I played, but Kirby definitely made me work hard for it).

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Ah, rubbing my face in my loss again, eh? :)

I guess we will need to play again, sometime.


You have likely improved far beyond what meager increments in skill I have gained. :mrgreen: And, yes, we need to play again.

I'd even be willing to try and play out a Malkovich game on here with you, whenever you feel you have the time for it.

Bear in mind, though, my updates would not be quick, as I am still easing my way back into Go again after my last break.

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Post #10 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:14 pm 
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I guess coordinates are on.
I think if black encloses, I'll enclose too. Kobayashi not conventionally possible, Chinese -> harder to develop bottom side. :w4: is normal.

More tangentially, Marcus does bring up a relevant point. While I plan to play boringly, I believe Kirby and I share a propensity for fighting, so I am going to err on the side of thickness rather than speed.

Maybe I should rather say "While I plan..."

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Post #11 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:29 pm 
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Let's jump in immediately, and see how he responds.

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Post #12 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:46 pm 
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My 3-3 doesn't ask for a pincer like a 4-4 would here. So, the territorial move.

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Post #13 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:49 pm 
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Bap-bap-shoo-dap!

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Post #14 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:52 pm 
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Sort of tempted to play Kitani's joseki here... But, it passes. What variation is kirby playing with regards to me 3-3 ?

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Bip-bap-dab-wap?

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I guess I should think about whether I should respond or not. One possible continuation is this:
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If he does this, I should probably play high at 'a', above (since the stones he's played are territorial so far).

But should I respond? Maybe he won't play :w10:. If he doesn't, I can press down, and it still will be fine, probably.

Or should I play somewhere else on the board?

There are a lot of options here, and it's starting to get to the point where the paths I choose will make more of a difference.

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I think I'll go with what I mentioned earlier. I like the result.

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Post #19 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:34 pm 
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Joseki-joseki. Next, I approach low on right, as nothing of mine is asking for height. Ishida Yoshio, one of my favourite players, has played this-ish opening. Look at his games if you want to see someone good doing it.

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