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 Post subject: Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)
Post #41 Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:26 pm 
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Post #42 Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:27 pm 
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My first thought is nobi.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 7 6 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 2 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My second thought is keima.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 5 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 2 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of course, just hane might be fine. Black cannot crosscut.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 6 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X 5 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd think :b2: must be at :b6: .

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Post #43 Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm24 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move just seems like the natural basic move.
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[go]$$Wcm24 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . c b . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 4 a . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I expect something like this. The cut at W(a) B(b) W(c) might be fun.

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Post #44 Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 5:15 am 
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I'm on vacation by the way, but I'll try to post when I can.

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[go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Move out.

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Post #45 Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:02 am 
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[go]$$Wcm26 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #46 Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:04 am 
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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move is just based on feeling.

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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he doesn't respond, I hope to get ''a'' below, and I think that will get me the territory in the corner and a wall on the side. If he jumps to ''a'', I will switch to the bottom side.

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Post #47 Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:12 pm 
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If Dusk Eagle doesn't respond, I am going to claim victory W+Rapture.

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[go]$$Wcm28 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I may be mistaken, but black's group now looks pitiful. I think he needed to take sente to play here.

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Post #48 Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 8:07 pm 
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Amazingly, I'm still here ;-) .

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[go]$$Bcm29 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not sure what's good here. I'm worried about this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 2 . 3 X 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #49 Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:34 pm 
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@Dusk Eagle:
Did you consider playing on the bottom side? Like this:

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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #50 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:11 am 
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@Joaz:
I considered playing as below. It might have been better than what I played. I'd rather touch the stone than cap here because my group is weak, plus with him being rather strong to the right the simple cap looks a bit thin (but I could be wrong about that).

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 3 1 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 2 O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 3 O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #51 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:29 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X a . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Great move! This'll help Black out immensely. Tenuki for White would be painful and this move helps black lock in the upper right corner and develop the top. White A doesn't help I don't think so he'll have to grab eyespace with 2 or b. I think White should've broke through here instead of play 26 which I felt was a little slow, but I understand why he did because of the shape issues.

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Post #52 Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:38 pm 
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Sorry, I've been involved in reading a book. I'll think about my next move and post tomorrow.

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Post #53 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:10 pm 
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Hopefully my wait-so-long-to-move-my-opponent-falls-asleep-and-I-win-by-time strategy is effective.
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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't want to play at (a) or (b) to live in gote. My plan is to threaten to surround his lower right group to get sente to play the extension at :w7: . The :b4: :w5: exchange should guarantee life. If not, it will be a short game. :) This is danger of letting your group get surrounded.

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Post #54 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:40 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not sure what he's going for here. Isn't this just making me thicker?

This is what I think will happen:

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I could also do this, but the :b2:- :w3: exchange helps him, and he will still have a ladder breaker. It feels slightly worse to me.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he plays :w1: below, it doesn't seem healthy for his :wc: stones.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . W W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . W . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #55 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:32 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #56 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:07 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I just like this more than the ladder variation I showed in my last post. I still have a bit of cut aji but I'm not worried.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Ko
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 5 X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Or, if he tries to pull out his cutting stone immediately, I think it will end up badly for him. I wonder what he has planned from this last exchange. Maybe he's just hoping to inject some extra aji into my position.

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Post #57 Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:27 am 
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Doesn't look like cut aji to me.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O 9 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 7 O 8 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 5 X 1 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #58 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm34 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm in no mood to take gote on the side. I may die, but what I have read I've found at least ko so I am willing to take the chance.

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Post #59 Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:24 am 
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Let's see if he attacks White now. Shouldn't really leave this group unattended like this.

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Post #60 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:06 am 
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[go]$$Bcm35 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Let's see what I can do here. I originally was just going to play the descent at :b1: below, but then white would take :w2: and I'm not satisfied. I think I can do better.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he tries :w1: and :w5: below:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X 4 8 7 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 2 . 3 X 5 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 0 X 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . B . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X X X O 1 . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

and I don't believe he can stop my stones from connecting out.

So let's see what he does instead.

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