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Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:39 am ]
Post subject:	126. EdLee vs Loons
Even game, 6.5 komi, Japanese rules, open joseki, database, standard hidden comments, etc. Loons, have a nice game. I'll nigiri: I have a busy summer (including US Go Congress in early August) until the end of August, so I apologize in advance for a possibly extra slow game.

Author:	cdybeijing [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Very much looking forward to this game.

Author:	Loons [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Five. Good luck! Edit: Hah, I always get that mixed up. Do you mind me translating "five" as "odd" ? (If so I play the top right 4-4). Otherwise, maybe you can guess odd or even, and check this: thirteen. And I'll try to avoid getting confused .

Author:	cdybeijing [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Ed's self-proclaimed 4k rank belies his real strength, and from what I have seen from these two, I think he could probably give Loons a handicap. Let's see how this plays out.

Author:	Shaddy [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Ed claimed he was 4k? He's been 2k on KGS for a pretty long time.

Author:	cdybeijing [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Shaddy wrote: Ed claimed he was 4k? He's been 2k on KGS for a pretty long time. It used to be in his user info. I think it's his AGA rank or something. I'm sure he knows that he is stronger than that, though.

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Shaddy wrote: Ed claimed he was 4k? He's been 2k on KGS for a pretty long time. He's not sandbagging. We were at a real live AGA tournament in Santa Monica a just last week where bands spanned several ranks, and he was in the section below me. Besides that, experience has shown that the extra time tends to favor the lower ranked player.

Author:	hyperpape [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:17 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
He used to post his AGA rank, but at one point he was quite clear that he thought he was stronger than that when questioned--perhaps by Magicwand.

Author:	Kirby [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Get into a public argument with Ed about something go related on the forum, and you might find out more about him.

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
As of today ( without last week's results added in yet ) EdLee's AGA rating is -3.44475. His last two tournaments were net negative, so that rating may not be indicative of his true strength. He could easily be between 2K and 3K AGA. His recent KGS rating has been fluctuating a bit, from mid 1K to almost the upper edges of 4K. Loons has been maintaining a steady 1.5K rating on KGS for most of this year. Conventional wisdom is that KGS differs from AGA by about a point, so if he were an AGA member, Loons would have an AGA rating of about 2.5 Overall, I'd say we have a fair game here.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:48 pm ]
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Loons, I'll take your "five" as "5 mod 2" = . I won't read your nigiri stones until after the game. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go] Not in the mood for a diagonal opening: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 3 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Loons [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go] Nirensei. Though, according to that page I have just failed to redress komi in the opening. I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:49 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 4 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go] Basic.

Author:	Loons [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go] Trigger: If you play c6, I play d2.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:41 pm ]
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Loons, I'm not quite sure how to use triggers. Your trigger was hidden, so I was not supposed to look at it, right? It was only for observers, yes? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Redundant [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Usually with triggers, one decides on their move, and then looks at the trigger to see if there are any follow up moves there. Thus the board now stands like this after the trigger (if no one minds the intrusion). Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Bill Spight [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
How about some coordinates? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:03 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . 8 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go] Let me try this tigger thing: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$B $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . 8 . . X . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]` Bill Spight wrote: How about some coordinates? Bill, anyone is welcome to use coordinates (or not). I prefer markers with no coordinates.

Author:	Loons [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm8 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . \| $$ \| . . 1 . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go] Accepted! Nice and easy. Now white takes gote settling and I wrack my brain for the biggest way to use . My goal was for this game to have a nice, educational bent to it but I can't think of anything particularly insightful yet. --- Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm8 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . B . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go] It's probably worth regarding that in a (comparative) vacuum, both Ed and I played 3rd line, settling (marked) stones. Now I am approached near where I know I have support, I played a 4th line, developmental move. I could try to develop even more aggressively by leaning on white's approach stone to exchange some kind of wall for a strong group on the right (by eg. attaching on top): That is also a way to play. My way is (for the moment) locally more conservative but should lead to a slightly more balanced board.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:56 pm ]
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(For beginners, also.) It's beyond my level to evaluate the differences among the following big points for : Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . e . . . . . . . c . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , b . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go] However, if B took (a) first, then later, it'd be more work (and probably suffering) for W at the bottom. For example: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$W $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . # . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . 4 . 3 . X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . X . . . . 1 2 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ----------------------------------------[/go]` So I took (a) myself for .

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