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Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
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Author:  thequietcenter [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
my strength: 10k KGS - http://static.livingcosmos.org/mykgs/
the range of strength that I am willing to play against: 7k to 13k
Author:  Sevis [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ready for a Malkovich match
I think this should be in the Malkovich registration thread, but I'll go ahead and accept. 8 kyu KGS (but probably overranked), I would suggest Japanese rules, no handicap, 0.5 komi, open joseki dictionaries/other books, me playing white, or same, but with two handicap and 6.5 komi. Of course, an even game is also fine.
Author:  thequietcenter [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ready for a Malkovich match
Ok accepted. I thought I had posted there. I made a mistake.
Author:  thequietcenter [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ready for a Malkovich match
[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[pd]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]
Author:  Sevis [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
If you don't mind, I'll stick to diagrams.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm2 :white: :black:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I somewhat prefer this over the typical D4 response -- it invites a cross fuseki (which I will have an easier time exploiting), and breaks the symmetry, not letting black play mirror go (probably not a significant chance of that, but it happens).

I know more about my opponent's playing style than he knows about mine. He seems to prefer moyos, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a Chinese fuseki. Expected:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm2 :white: :black:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b a . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . 6 . . . . . X . d . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
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$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . 5 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't like :b8: in this diagram, so I think I may instead approach from the other side. If I stick to this, a-d are reasonable, I think.
Author:  thequietcenter [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
How easy was it for you to make your move after mine and post a diagram?

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[pd][qp]
AW[dd]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]
Author:  Sevis [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
Well, it was a matter of grabbing a default diagram, then adding two stones. I'd say that's simpler than downloading the SGF, adding a move, then uploading it again, especially seeing as the SGF (as it is) does not show the order of the moves, and does not, therefore, help much.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm3 :white: :black:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Aha, so he isn't going to play Chinese! That's nice to hear, although he could still play small Chinese. I think I'll allow him to get a shimari, although this looks interesting:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm3 :white: :black:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I am not at all a fan of 3-4 approach moves: all the joseki I know end up being beneficial for the defender. On the other hand, giving away a shimari isn't great -- but I will have sente, and will be able to approach Q16.
Author:  thequietcenter [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
In SmartGo, I have this game saved. I just play your move and then play mine and then choose "Edit -> Copy" and then click "sgf-full" and then paste the SGF. You dont mind how I handle my moves do you?

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[pd][qp][oq]
AW[dd][dp]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]

I thought of playing at O3, but I always play p3 and until I'm 1 dan (if I ever get there), there is no need to explore new openings as Black. One opening is all I need. I would've approached his corners, but he played no 3-4 stones. And so my move is the correct one per Yang Yiluns "Ranking the Big Opening Moves"
Author:  oren [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
thequietcenter wrote:
In SmartGo, I have this game saved. I just play your move and then play mine and then choose "Edit -> Copy" and then click "sgf-full" and then paste the SGF. You dont mind how I handle my moves do you?


It is a bit slow to have to start up the sgf handler everytime. You can just hit quote when replying, modify the move you want, and submit.

SmartGo also may be able to copy and paste in the format used here for diagrams. I'm not sure, but it's worth looking.

And I found it here...
http://www.smartgo.com/copy.htm
Author:  judicata [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
It is really easy to quote and edit the diagram. And, for what it's worth, makes for more comfortable viewing IMO.
Author:  Mnemonic [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
If you quote somebody, won't you be able to read thier hiden comments? :scratch:
Author:  oren [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
Mnemonic wrote:
If you quote somebody, won't you be able to read thier hiden comments? :scratch:


You're right. I've never done Malkovich and forgot that part.
Author:  Sevis [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm5 :white: :black:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well black has a shimari. Letting him play Q10 would be rather silly of me. On the other hand:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc5 :white: :black:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 5 . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not want to prompt him into strengthening his right (even at the cost of the top). I think that starting a fight may be a good idea eventually -- I think I am better at fighting than at fuseki (granted, I am horrible at both).

I expect a pincer.
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:26 pm ]
Post subject: 
Please fix your move numbers. :)
And yes, it's very dangerous to press "quote" when you're in a Malkovich game. :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Author:  Sevis [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
Ack, thank you -- done.

(I was wondering what that m was for...)
Author:  thequietcenter [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
I turned on Wiki formatting as suggested and then chose Edit -> Copy as Ascii, but it came out wrong. I'm sticking with the standard sgf posting format.

I will report this to the author of SmartGo though. It might be a bug ...
notice the reversed move colors in the corner.

The next post will have my correct move choice.

Here is a screencast documenting the failure:

http://screencast.com/t/jgTu8niSlB5v

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Author:  thequietcenter [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
Author:  oren [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
thequietcenter wrote:
I turned on Wiki formatting as suggested and then chose Edit -> Copy as Ascii, but it came out wrong. I'm sticking with the standard sgf posting format.

I will report this to the author of SmartGo though. It might be a bug ...
notice the reversed move colors in the corner.

The next post will have my correct move choice.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Needed to change the top to $$Bc from $$Wc
Author:  thequietcenter [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)
oren wrote:

SmartGo also may be able to copy and paste in the format used here for diagrams. I'm not sure, but it's worth looking.

And I found it here...
http://www.smartgo.com/copy.htm


Here is a screencast of that approach creating a wrong diagram:
http://screencast.com/t/jgTu8niSlB5v
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:01 pm ]
Post subject: 
thequietcenter wrote:
I turned on Wiki formatting as suggested and then chose Edit -> Copy as Ascii, but it came out wrong.
I'm sticking with the standard sgf posting format.
1. Under a diagram of the current board, Click Here To Show Diagram Code.
2. Highlight and Copy the diagram text.
3. Post Reply.
4. Paste.
5. Edit your move; add comments, etc.
6. Preview.
7. Rinse and repeat (5) and (6).
8. Submit.
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