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 Post subject: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Post #1 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:15 am 
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Banaan is 1k kyu, Chewtoy, 3.

Hope you enjoy the game!


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[go]$$Bc Banaan vs Chewtoy, Komi = 0.5.
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Post #2 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:29 am 
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Dabird, every time I see your KGS name, I double-take and think it's me. =)

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:42 am 
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I thought it was trash talk.

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:29 pm 
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yeah, pretty similar handles! I didn't know of yours until I found this website only recently, but I note that you have seniority over mine (both here and KGS).

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Post #5 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:56 am 
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Good game to you, too!

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[go]$$Bc Banaan vs Chewtoy, Komi = 0.5.
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Post #6 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:02 am 
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[go]$$Bc :b00: :w00:
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I should really try to play other openings when I'm black. :P

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Post #7 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:49 pm 
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I suppose there is enough room for two Chews in the universe... But I'd prefer this be settled in a battle to the death. :twisted:

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Post #8 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bc :b00: :w00:
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He says "I should really play other openings", so it seems he plays this fuseki a lot. Fun, i've been studying a bit Shusaku fuseki, lets see where this goes!

I was also thinking of playing D4 (or maybe D3), also nice moves. But I'll play this one, since I want shusaku fuseki :D

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Post #9 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:13 pm 
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He says "I should really play other openings", so it seems he plays this fuseki a lot. Fun, i've been studying a bit Shusaku fuseki, lets see where this goes!

I was also thinking of playing D4 (or maybe D3), also nice moves. But I'll play this one, since I want shusaku fuseki :D


@Banaan:
I don't think you can call this the Shusaku fuseki, given the 4-4 in the upper left. It's definitely Shusaku-style though.

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Post #10 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:01 am 
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I think the upper left doesnt matter much, after c4 - q5 I definately call it Shusaku fuseki ^^ But you're right, the traditional Shusaku fuseki is with komoku

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Post #11 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:54 pm 
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[go]$$Bc :b00: :w00:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ooh, I hate that when white does this. :-?

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Post #12 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:40 pm 
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something went wrong with the starpoints in your diagram, so im not sure where your move is ^^ Hoshi or Komoku?

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Post #13 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:43 pm 
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Oh, I forgot, I was playing surrealism Go. Next come the lobsters and frogs!

Seriously, I don't know how I did that...some kinda sloppy gridwork.
Here is my move:

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[go]$$Bc :b00: :w00:
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Post #14 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:06 pm 
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In that case!

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #15 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bc :b100: :w100:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Banaan seems to want a fighting game. I guess I'll accept that challenge.

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Post #16 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:39 am 
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[go]$$Bc :b100: :w100:
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Lots of options here, but i'll just go for this one. I'm expecting something like this:

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[go]$$Bc :b100: :w100:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #17 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:22 am 
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[go]$$Bc :b100: :w100:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I must prevent my corner from being sealed in, but I will also have to mind my pincer stone. I predict that white will counter-pincer it. I like this move because it is an outside move for my corner and it starts to limit any moyo that white might try to make with his Q4 stone on the right side.

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Post #18 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:14 pm 
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[go]$$Bc :b100: :w100:
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All is going according to plan... muahahaha.

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Post #19 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:05 pm 
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I suppose there is enough room for two Chews in the universe... But I'd prefer this be settled in a battle to the death. :twisted:


Ah, but which one would you "Chews" to cheer for? (Yes, I made this post JUST to make a pun).

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Post #20 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:31 pm 
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I think this is joseki? I don't fully understand why the knight's move here: Because it makes shape with L13? I'm playing this because it makes sense - help the pincer stone and pressure on white's 2 stones separated by 2 spaces. Also, I guess it relates to relative weakness? That is, white's double space jump is not strong, so black can press and not worry overmuch about creating a weakness of his own. I don't know this joseki well, and certainly not after white's response, but then, that is also why I played it, in order to help me make sense of it. No doubt, my learning will come when I choose a *wrong* move :P

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