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Author: | Celebrir [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Do you want to play with books/databases illuck ? Doesn't matter to me. I'll start to nigiri: 11 *looking on the empty board, wondering which kind of game will be played on it* ![]()
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Author: | illluck [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
I guess odd. With databases and books would be good. |
Author: | Celebrir [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
As long as 11 is odd you have the first move ![]() Edit: Maybe something intresting. If I would have played B, I would try this fuseki: I'm currently testing this fuseki:
Sometimes I play ![]() |
Author: | illluck [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Hi, have a good game ![]()
Not much to be said, I like double sansan as black as well. |
Author: | Celebrir [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Well, I remember him playing San-San from his other game here and I expect him to play another San-San. Question is what should I do now ? Shall I go for influence and try to create a situation where he hast to invade ? Maybe I would try something like this then:
... and so on. I'm not sure whether this is good or I should attack the San-San stones at 'a' first... My other idea would be to play amore normal start:
Now I would think about a or b. But I don't like B's position at the top because the San-San stones doesn't seem to work well with the result at the left. I should be able to invade at the shaded area. Therefore it might be that he uses a low approach:
I think both variations are fine for me. However, since my first move is always the Hoshi at the bottom left I'll just play it and look into some more variations later ![]() |
Author: | illluck [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
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Author: | Celebrir [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Fast response ! Forgot to write: Have fun and a good game ![]()
Here we go, as I expected. I'll try the Komoku because I'm wondering how he'll response. I think he'll attack there first because he doesn't want me to get an shimari. The last possibilities to attack for him:
I think this would be good for me because he has a very, very low position.
This are only two possibilities for him to answer my pincer but I think there are no really good continuations for him. The San-San in the upper left allows me to play lightly very easily. |
Author: | Loons [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
@Celebrir (Kinda tangential to the game, but-)
I would not play a 4-4 shimari here. My rule for playing a 4-4 shimari is only when that approach is your opponent's obvious next move. If you want to play a shimari and stay "in theme" with your first two stones, you could try a high shimari (a b c all good choices), while approaching is also alright. Also gg |
Author: | illluck [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Approaching the top is usually considered to be more important (I think), but I don't really know 3-4 joseki, so I'll wait to see if I can play in a way to reduce the likelihood of more complicated variations there. |
Author: | Celebrir [ Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
He surprised me with this move because I wouldn't let my oppnent to build up a shimarim when I can prevent it as easily as he could have here. Of course I'm trying to punish him now by building a shimari. But I have to play on the bottom first. The move has to do two things: It has to be sente and he should be good for the shimari at the top. Let's look at the pincer first:
This is sente, okay. But it's really bad if I wan't to do something on the left. Next move:
I think he plays ![]()
This doesn't looks bad I think and there are two defending moves for B I would like to made: 'a' and 'b'. So this is the move I'm going to play. |
Author: | Uberdude [ Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
@Celebrir Celebrir wrote: I think he plays ![]() Didn't you notice his first 2 moves ![]() |
Author: | illluck [ Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
I was going to play the simple joseki at D2, but I thought perhaps I should try something different since I probably played D2 100% of the time. I think K4 doesn't work as well with the sansan. |
Author: | Celebrir [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Okay... Another 3rd line stone. I don't really know how to deal with that but I think invasions will be easier later. I'm going to continue with my plan of a shimari at the top. @Uberdude: I guess I'm to much trained to get a good balance between the lines ![]() |
Author: | illluck [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Moyo battles with sansan tend to be difficult in my experience :p So I'll try to break up the board. |
Author: | Celebrir [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
I'm sorry I'm a little bit ill now and I would like to wait until I feel well enough to think more than 3 moves with this turn. But at least I predicted this move correctly. Might be because it's a line on the 3rd line ? |
Author: | Loons [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Speculatively. It's an interesting board. Attachment: |
Author: | illluck [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
No worries, take your time. Hope you feel better soon, though ![]() |
Author: | Celebrir [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
I'm already feeling better, so I guess my next move will come soon. At least at Thursday I think. Here a short thought why I'm not following my old plan anymore:
I don't think that ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Celebrir [ Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Sorry, I guess I was a a little bit to optimistic. Still to ill to think as much about a move as I want to do here. |
Author: | illluck [ Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir |
Seriously, don't worry about it. Hope you recover quickly ![]() |
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