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Author: | hailthorn011 [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
This game will be played using Japanese scoring with 6.5 komi.
Nigri: 4 |
Author: | billywoods [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods |
I guessed odd, so you take black. Have a good game! (Mod-shaped people: I think this is #202.) |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
Whoops, sorry for forgetting the game number! Good game Billywoods!
This game should be good for a few laughs with the audience considering this is my first serious game in quite a long time. If I blunder, well, it's because I suck. If I do something well, it's probably dumb luck. But it will probably be more the former than the latter. My goal here is to get back in the curve, and there's no better way to do that than getting your butt handed to you on a silver platter! |
Author: | billywoods [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
By the way (for the observers): this game is open book, which hopefully means we'll both learn something...
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Author: | hailthorn011 [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
That's right. I plan on going with the Sanrensei. Why not? I've had success with it in the past. I've also had massive failures with it in the past, but I like to play this opening. So assuming that Billywoods doesn't do something entirely unexpected, this will be my next move.
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Author: | billywoods [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
All rather boring so far. I'm envisioning an approach on my hoshi stone or a sanrensei. White could perhaps try to split, but I don't mind that at all. I typically find games with small groups and fighting fun, and moyo-based games rather annoying, so if he responds with sanrensei, I will have to go and find a way to break it up or respond with something Chinesey on the left and overcome my fear of moyo games. I especially hate being white in a moyo game - I always feel behind, and komi doesn't feel big enough. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
Bob: Important message of the day folks: Only YOU can prevent forest fires. And that is seriously good advice. Dave: Oh shut up Bob and eat your taco. There's a game of Go going on and you're talking about forest fires! Bob: Fine, fine. Interesting opening. Seen it only about a thousand times before. Black opens with Sanrensei. Can black play it well enough? Dave: We'll find out shortly! But the Sanrensei helped Black get from around 12 Kyu to 11 Kyu, so I suppose he has some skill with it. Bob: Yeah, against DDK's. This is a SDK he's playing. Entirely different ballgame Dave. Dave: Good point, Bob. If he takes his time and reads, this could be competitive. Bob: And if pigs fly, they probably have wings. You just pointed out the obvious, Dave. But we'll see how White responds to the Sanrensei! |
Author: | billywoods [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
I'm not going to waste time on the left - it only generates the sort of game I'm not very good at (and not very interested in). I hesitated over which corner stone to approach, but ultimately I have a lot less confidence in using 3-4 stones, and black's response to this will probably tell me how to handle the upper left better. I suspect black will pincer to try to make the top side uninteresting and negate the direction of my 3-4 stone; if black just bounces off and takes territory by jumping from ![]() |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
Hm, I think I'm going to take some time and think on this one. The obvious move is....well obvious. Usually I pincer here without question. But I want to see if I can think of any decent alternatives. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
Pretty standard response. I decided this would be a good place to play. Go with what you know. Especially in the early goings. The marked moves seem to be the usual responses. More so the 3-3 here. I'm very familiar with both of them. So I'll see how White responds. ![]()
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Author: | EdLee [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:11 pm ] |
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For beginners. hailthorn011 wrote: The obvious move is....well obvious. There is no ONE single obvious move for ![]() |
Author: | billywoods [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
I don't really have any experience in playing against the sanrensei. Might as well play a fighty variation - I'm not actually sure this is any good for me. For the record, I also considered this fighty variation:
but decided I didn't want to turn it into an all-or-nothing fight so early. This is an interesting variation, though. After I capture ![]() I don't remember where I saw this happen, but it looked fun. Maybe in another game / when I'm ten stones stronger. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
Interesting. I was not expecting this move. This should make things interesting as I have absolutely zero experience with this position when playing Sanrensei. Perhaps I'll learn something new here! But this is how I envision it going down:
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Author: | billywoods [ Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
This leaves me with plenty of options:
Black has a cut at a: that should allow me to settle myself easily (or, of course, if black pulls out his ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
This is what I diagrammed in my last post. I imagine that White will now target the cut. |
Author: | billywoods [ Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
I think I'd call black's move a big mistake here. There are four stones not immediately under attack (at least one of the other two will die, and the other may turn into a liability), and they're all on the same side, mostly inefficiently placed to make territory (on the fourth line) but having their influence cancelled out by the strong group in front of them. Some variations follow:
Pretty simple variation. I'm happy with this - I have a strong group right in front of the sanrensei, and I get the corner. Black can't reasonably approach the corner from the other direction - that leaves him with two weak groups and me with none.
Triangle dies. Black 2, 6 etc. are left without a base. Lots of variations like this.
Nice idea if ![]()
Dies again.
After black has pushed a million times, a and b are miai for me to live, and I have all the thickness in the world.
Black saves the stone. I live (in gote, and depending on a ladder - it's good for me now, but I might have to worry about it later). Black got a few points in the corner.
Probably the best move is tenuki. Black gets a very big corner, but I get sente. If anything weird happens later I play at a. After all, if black doesn't seal off this corner, then later I'm going to be aiming at 2 or b as possible invasion points. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
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Author: | billywoods [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
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Author: | hailthorn011 [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
Sorry for the slow response.
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Author: | billywoods [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: hailthorn vs. billywoods #202 |
No problem.
This finishes the sequence locally. I wonder where my opponent will go next. Even though there's a weak group at the top, I can't help thinking that the right hand side is very big too. I've not read anything yet. |
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