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Post #1 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:56 am 
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hello all, this is my game again 13k just today. a game after couple day rest from go :mrgreen:
could someone give review/advice/comment on my game?

thank you :salute:


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Post #2 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:35 am 
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You played a consistent large moyo strategy and found some quite good moves, so I think you have a good feel for the game. You made some minor mistakes in the complicated fighting, which others may comment on. However I think you can improve most rapidly by trying to avoid playing very small local defensive moves. Some examples:

move 69) You have already broken through. How much is this connection worth? Maybe one point?
move 71) How much is this worth? Is there really nothing larger on the entire board?
move 73) Same question. Suppose W does not answer? How many points do you gain?
move 75) Good! Try to break away from small stuff to score big moves like this.
move 87) Did W really have anything here?
move 97) Thank W for playing a very small move and play elsewhere.
move 123) How many points does this protect?
move 125) How many points does this protect?
move 163) How many points does this protect?
move 165) How many points does this protect?

Instead of these last two moves, or any of the next 20 moves, defending at R17 would clinch the game. Take time to count and play safely if you have a secure win.

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Post #3 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:40 am 
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Hope this helps ^_^

Sorry if I went a little overboard at times, maybe I got carried away but I tried not to put long variations in there so you could try to figure it out yourself:)



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Post #4 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:55 pm 
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Your early play put you behind. Your opponent got two corners. ( He didn't defend them very well, but that is beside the point. ) Corners are the most important part of the board for easy life. So early in the game, both players struggle to get them. Your moves 7 and 15 in particular are just gifts to your opponent because they allow him to respond to your move while taking the corner.

Have a look at this:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?CornersThenSidesThenCenter

Since so many people play in the corners early in the game, certain patterns of corner play have become common. They are known as 'joseki'. If you want to get any better at this game, you have to learn about joseki.

It is a good habit to learn a few joseki so that you aren't losing the game in the first 20 moves. ( There is a lot of debate about exactly how you should learn joseki. Some say memorize them, some say don't. You don't have to worry about that yet. ) For right now, get a copy of '38 Basic Joseki' by Davies ( ISBN 4-906574-11-4 ) or some other beginner's joseki book and try to use those patterns in your games.


For a really basic introduction, while you are waiting for the mailman to deliver your book, I offer the following micro-introduction to joseki:

PART 1:

1) When your opponent has a 4-4 corner stone like this:

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[go]$$c
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . W . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$|-----------------------[/go]

...most of the time you will challenge his stone by playing :b1: like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . a . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . W . b c . . .
$$| . . . . . 1 d . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$|-----------------------[/go]


You can also play at 'a', for it is the same move, just a mirror image. Under special circumstances, you might play 'b', 'c', or 'd', but I recommend avoiding them until you know more.


1) When your opponent has a 3-4 corner stone like this:

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[go]$$c
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . W , . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$|-----------------------[/go]

...most of the time you will do best to challenge it like this:

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[go]$$c
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . W , 1 . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$|-----------------------[/go]

...or this:

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[go]$$c
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . W , . . . . . .
$$| . . . . 1 . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$|-----------------------[/go]



PART 2:

When he is first in the corner, and you are second, he has the advantage. So, generally, you will not get the corner. ( Or if you do, there may be some disadvantage to it. For right now, don't worry about those situations ) Usually, you will get a small portion - less than 50% - of the corner, or you will get pushed back along the side.

Those patterns often will look something like this:

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[go]$$c A common simple joseki when approaching the 4-4
$$| . . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . 2 . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . W . . . . . . .
$$| . . 4 . . 1 . . . 5 .
$$| . . . 3 . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . . .
$$|-----------------------[/go]

or like this:

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[go]$$c A common simple joseki when approaching the 3-4
$$| . . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . 6 . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . W , 1 5 . . . 7 .
$$| . . . 4 2 3 . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . . .
$$|-----------------------[/go]



WARNING: This micro-introduction to joseki is extremely simplistic. It glossses over many important ideas, and ignores many common exceptions. But it may get you through the first move with some idea of what you are trying to accomplish with your second and third moves.

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Post #5 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:54 pm 
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Also have a look at this thread: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=667

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Post #6 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:29 pm 
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thank you for the advice, comment and review mitsun, OtakuViking, and Joaz Banbeck

i'll try to to bigger move and less care about small, not-needed point.
i'll also try to pay attention to my opponent weak group, prevent them from connecting.
and i'll also try to learn some beginner basic and memorizing some joseki and also watch the corner

once again, thank you :bow:

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