Hello all,
I was thinking that i am ahead by ~15 points until this reduction at move 62. After that all went downhill from there..
can you indicate some sequences or share your thought process about answerinf move 62?


Best Regards

Hi PlaySlow,

Very small, very slow.

slow, small.

strange. Two vital points here: R8 and Q9.
Probably just block at Q9 first.

Soft. Hane N8.

, not good.

Maybe turn N8, still big.

C3 ?

W has these bad habits ( , ).

You've pushed this far, why stop now; push one more, G16;
then F15 -- try to completely close W, if possible.

- bad exchange, bad habit. See .

Play here directly; don't do the exchange - .

Have to read forever here...
Did you also read K9 attach or N8 turn ?

Did you read the cut L9, or the clamp M8 ?


- Locally, this shape is a disaster for Black. Classic toothpaste .

Did you read the atari M5 ?
Did you think about killing M6 or Q5, or both ?

Did you read the atari M5 ?

Did you read M7 ?

Pass ?? To reduce his eyespace,
did you read P7 push or S8 hane ?

Did you read S7 clamp ?

You already forced W to live with ; what are you still doing here ?
Tenuki; C3, etc.

107 Why. So small, so slow; not looking at the whole board.
Curious if Mr. Yoda's new book may have something to say about this move.
posts 9-43+ .

110 small; also missing the big picture. C3 huge.

115 - 116 No awareness of broken shapes. You must study toothpaste .

169 Die in gote.

69 @ M7 ?

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[go]$$ Position at move 62 (marked)
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Black has built up a nice lead in the opening, mainly as a result of White making small life on the right side.

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[go]$$ Secure territory
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That being the case, there is an argument for simply securing territory with, say, . But Black still has concerns about his group on the left side and a possible invasion on the bottom side.

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[go]$$ Attack!
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My first thought is , which not only attacks , but bolsters the bottom side. Now if , continues the attack and actually starts to build a framework with the Black stones on the bottom.

Your attack should work out, as well. But, reading errors aside, it was too single-minded. Once you did not contain White, you doggedly tried to hang on to as much of your territory as possible.

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[go]$$ Position at move 136
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As a result, White made territory on the bottom as well as reducing Black's large framework. IMO, White has the edge now.

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Everything with love. Stay safe.

Really good explanations

Thank you all for your comments. I will study thorugh the stuff you have suggested.
Edlee, i demoralized after not answering the reduction properly and didnt read throughly. I should work on playing the game calmer and use my time to think.. If i made some serious mistake in mid or early game, sometimes i stop to read and play intuitively only.. And that does not help improving.

(From another recent thread, post 57):Yes, human emotions and psychological factors can make a big difference.

One nice lesson from Go is to learn to see reality as it is, to see nature as it is -- no more, no less.
Over-confidence, self-distrust, arrogance, insecurity, over-estimating ourselves, under-estimating the opponent, etc... can impact the game (and our life) .