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Post #21 Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:35 am 
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As for watching pro games, is there some "classic" games everyone should see ?


The Ear-reddening Game, for starters. :)



See http://senseis.xmp.net/?EarReddeningGame .

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Post #22 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:54 pm 
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Your opponents didn't really test you. The first was outplayed in fighting and the one in the handicap game wasn't trying. With moves like 104 in that game, there's not much to learn.

From the first game, one could derive you are a better fighter than your peers. That leaves the opening and the endgame. You will find plenty of advocates of opening study in this forum, preferably by playing pro games. And they may be right. About the endgame there's not much to say right now.

One thing came to surface though: you play creatively and you don't believe the opponent. What if the opponent doesn't believe you?

(BTW - in the main fight at the bottom, at :b75: abd :b81: Black could have done better. Any idea?)

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:53 am 
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Hi again, sorry for replying so late. Thanks for all your commentaries !

Since these games I have watched a lot of Haylee's video and it is amazing how much I changed my go style! Now it's like everything could be "deformed" as my opponent shapes are not perfect. Here is my last game : you can see the transformation (the weird thing is that normaly I prefer to avoid fighting, I am more a peaceful guy !).



I win by 4.5 points. Obviously I made tsumego mistakes like :b97: and :b171: and I think I was far too aggressive. Yet I managed to win this game without really knowing how. Event after losing the corner the games seemed even, maybe my opening was good ?

@Knotwilg : What do you mean by "not believing the opponent" ?

@Bill : I know that Shushaku was an excellent player, and I am sure I can learn a lot by his games. Yet, isn't it better to watch modern go player because of the changement in opening (I am thinking about the 4-4 points now regulary played) ?

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Post #24 Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:01 am 
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@Bill : I know that Shushaku was an excellent player, and I am sure I can learn a lot by his games. Yet, isn't it better to watch modern go player because of the changement in opening (I am thinking about the 4-4 points now regulary played) ?


You asked for classics. :)

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Post #25 Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:55 am 
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I like how black keeps trying to kill groups and ends up with useless walls around living white groups.

It's such a clear demonstration of how bad it is to try to kill everything.

I am in the same stage, btw. Too much tsumego, and I can't help myself.

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Post #26 Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:43 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:

You asked for classics. :)


You are right I forgot :D

tentano wrote:
I like how black keeps trying to kill groups and ends up with useless walls around living white groups.

It's such a clear demonstration of how bad it is to try to kill everything.

I am in the same stage, btw. Too much tsumego, and I can't help myself.


Truth is, I didn't really want to kill everything, just make them run and use what I got by attacking them. Problem is, white let so many groups without clear base that I ended up attacking everything haha.

Here is my last game :



After this game I told myself to work a lot more on tsumego. It seems my new style of playing require it :lol:

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Post #27 Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:10 pm 
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lapos wrote:
attacking everything


Yes.

ATTACK EVERYTHING! :rambo:

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Post #28 Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:26 pm 
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Some comments:

The first really big tactical thing I see in this game is at :b41:. White just threw two stones down with no clear eyespace in an area that black dominates, but then black tenukied. My automatic move is the one space jump at E9. White needs to run or give up his group, and if he runs, the top will become black's territory naturally and the left side group will become strong. Black has another missed opportunity at :b45:.

Killing in the top right is good, but it does affect the right side group, so you may want to play a fixing move there at some point.

:b59: and :b61: feel good, but they do set black up for trouble with the left side group later.

At :b95: one space higher connects the groups.

What is the purpose of 119? I'd much rather push through the hole white fixes at 120, or play P9 and push white before asking him how his upper-right group is planning on living.

That said, in the whole game black never challenged white on the bottom half of the board. White played the high chinese, which is A) not territorial and B) has a clear aim of developing the right side and center. Rather than play :b7: I'd prefer to take a big point on the right side, or approach the bottom left immediately. Later on, when you can take sente (opportunities for which kind of disappeared after :b41:) an attachment under or to the side of L3 would also have been a good way to set up a viable group there.

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Post #29 Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:10 pm 
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Thanks for your comments !

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What is the purpose of 119?


I don't know I am white in this game :lol:

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Post #30 Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:15 pm 
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@Bill : I know that Shushaku was an excellent player, and I am sure I can learn a lot by his games. Yet, isn't it better to watch modern go player because of the changement in opening (I am thinking about the 4-4 points now regulary played) ?


You asked for classics. :)


Hmmm, the ear-reddening play is a supposed brilliancy; but I recall Kitani thought it a bit slow?

A game I think is a classic is the one Takagawa won against Sakata, getting into the Honinbo final and launching his reign of nine years. Google has just shown me it is David Sigaty's favourite:

http://gobase.org/studying/gallery/?id=furikawari

Perhaps someone has the SGF. There was an old magazine commentary in English, I recall. But it is one of the games where the main point is to get the flow, rather than second-guess the pro.

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Post #31 Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:33 pm 
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Unfortunately I do not have access to this base. And this game doesn't seem to be in eidogo either :sad:

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Post #32 Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:08 am 
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lapos wrote:
Unfortunately I do not have access to this base. And this game doesn't seem to be in eidogo either :sad:


GoGoD has it. :)

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Post #33 Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:00 pm 
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Well, I do not intend to pay for having access to a go games base now. I'm not strong enough to really use it.

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