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Author: | peti29 [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Losing the uphill battle |
I messed up the opening of this game badly. But I still tried to come back. In the end I didn't manage but I wonder: was there something I could have done? Here is the game (comments are merely greetings in Hungarian, sorry for that) - ![]() - ![]() - ![]() ![]() - I don't like ![]() - ![]() - ![]() - rest is me trying to do something resulting in some success, but not enough. Btw is :w224: necessary? |
Author: | Amelia [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
Not strong enough to comment, sorry. I'm just interested about your comments in the opening: - You describe moves 6 and 8 as mistakes. Why do you think those are mistakes (especially 6)? |
Author: | schawipp [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
At a quick glance, the following moves stand out: - ![]() ![]() - ![]() - ![]() - ![]() |
Author: | peti29 [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
Amelia wrote: Not strong enough to comment, sorry. I'm just interested about your comments in the opening: - You describe moves 6 and 8 as mistakes. Why do you think those are mistakes (especially 6)? ![]() I'm not strong enough to be able to tell an exact reason. This is what I always see when black does the orthodox fuseki(http://senseis.xmp.net/?OrthodoxFuseki) and I can agree with reasoning that if black gets the star point, it creates a really nice framework - so white should prevent. ![]() Is "going fishing when my house is on fire" - as Nick Sibicky would say. I must not tenuki there (or so I think). |
Author: | peti29 [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
schawipp wrote: At a quick glance, the following moves stand out: - ![]() ![]() - ![]() - ![]() - ![]() Thx for your suggestions! The threatening to cut at N-15 didn't even occur to me. At the bottom left I saw the "broken shape" as Ed would say but I was too obsessed with the corner. (The same for E-3) |
Author: | tapir [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
I don't understand your harsh comments about perfectly viable moves, while you are silent about really bad moves. 34-38 are awful. Especially 38. 46 exposes the previous moves as learned, but not well understood. You can play hane and prevent the connection, that is the reason for the shapes you played before. This makes a huge difference in the game. 52 probably better at D4, but the mistake is 54. You can't let Black split you here without at least putting a stone in the way. |
Author: | Sennahoj [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
If ![]() ![]() https://badukmovies.com/pro_games/58761-shuto-shun-kim-sujun?move=6 https://badukmovies.com/pro_games/38514-hane-naoki-cho-u?move=6 https://badukmovies.com/pro_games/38224-li-zhe-chang-hao?move=6 |
Author: | peti29 [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
tapir wrote: I don't understand your harsh comments about perfectly viable moves, while you are silent about really bad moves. 34-38 are awful. Especially 38. 46 exposes the previous moves as learned, but not well understood. You can play hane and prevent the connection, that is the reason for the shapes you played before. This makes a huge difference in the game. 52 probably better at D4, but the mistake is 54. You can't let Black split you here without at least putting a stone in the way. Wow, great insight! As you wrote I saw the moves prior to 46 somewhere and I think they create good shape, but I had no idea how to use them. Edit: btw, which hane, B11 (or B9)? I'm silent about my really bad moves because I don't know which ones they are ![]() |
Author: | tapir [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
Author: | Uberdude [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
56 is trying to find some success? Looks like trying to lose to me... What on earth was going through your mind when you played that?! You wanted to defend the cut? But it's a cut on the 2nd line: surely a 5k knows that can be captured by atari towards the edge. You didn't want to let white hane at e2 in sente? So play e2. Or even e3. |
Author: | skydyr [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:58 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle | ||
I've added a few comments in addition to what was said before:
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Author: | peti29 [ Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Losing the uphill battle |
skydyr wrote: I've added a few comments in addition to what was said before: Thanks for your comments! |
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