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| Author: | sholvar [ Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Something's wrong with this opening, but can't figure it out |
I think move 9 is not a good move pincering in the middle of 2 stones. Although there is the weakness of this invasion my feeling says black plays too early there. But I can't figure out, how to counter it. Maybe I sacrificed the wrong stone? Stretching the other one allows some more efficient attack to the corner. Or should I not go into the corner but instead play M5? Doesn't feel so big. Sorry, but this kind of thing didn't happen in a long time. Can't offer more then "feeling". 
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| Author: | amnal [ Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Something's wrong with this opening, but can't figure it |
sholvar wrote: I think move 9 is not a good move pincering in the middle of 2 stones. Although there is the weakness of this invasion my feeling says black plays too early there. But I can't figure out, how to counter it. Maybe I sacrificed the wrong stone? Stretching the other one allows some more efficient attack to the corner. Or should I not go into the corner but instead play M5? Doesn't feel so big. Sorry, but this kind of thing didn't happen in a long time. Can't offer more then "feeling". Black's 'invasion' is fine. White's long extension is also fine. But you do pull out the wrong stone - by moving out at F5 you would make miai of G6 and J4. |
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| Author: | Mnemonic [ Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Something's wrong with this opening, but can't figure it |
Wait! The upper right invasion by black. Can't you kill that? I think I read somewhere that you have to play ko to survive. What am I missing? 
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| Author: | serapis [ Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Something's wrong with this opening, but can't figure it |
| Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Something's wrong with this opening, but can't figure it |
sholvar wrote: I think move 9 is not a good move pincering in the middle of 2 stones. Although there is the weakness of this invasion my feeling says black plays too early there. But I can't figure out, how to counter it. Maybe I sacrificed the wrong stone? Stretching the other one allows some more efficient attack to the corner. Or should I not go into the corner but instead play M5? Doesn't feel so big. Sorry, but this kind of thing didn't happen in a long time. Can't offer more then "feeling". 9 is fine but i think 11 is wrong. i would play 12 at H2. |
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| Author: | sholvar [ Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Something's wrong with this opening, but can't figure it |
Thanks for all your answers. Yes, the L&D in the corner was also played wrong by both players. I didn't think enough how to kill it. Played like it would kill itself alone.  Thanks for showing me an alternatives, that actually look like a game. And no, I didn't do a lot of L&D to get to 3k, like most others. My L&D is a lot worse then for most of my rankmates. I normally win by playing the globally better game (or lose by getting killed very big. Letting 95 or 135 points die in the endgame can happen). With some variations I have no experience and so can't play them well, though. But that is why I ask you guys, right?  The strange moves we see from weaker players are most often made, because they can't make a plan in that situation and they fall back to a combination they might even feel as worse but at least they know how to play it. Magicwand wrote: 9 is fine but i think 11 is wrong. i would play 12 at H2. If I interprete that correctly, black also pushed its wrong side? |
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