When to Invade?

Redbeard · #1

This was a quick pick-up game on KGS to keep my rank from creeping up too far, but I would like to hear some opinions on how I could have kept black from taking the bottom of the board. By the time I got around to invading (~move 40) it was too late and I just helped him build a wall across the middle of the board. Your comments are appreciated.

EdLee · #2

A few ideas, early in the game:

hyperpape · #3

I don't feel confident to say when you should invade or what move to do, but :w26:

and

were definitely small moves.

daniel_the_smith · #4

Yeah, the problem there is not how to invade, it's that you shouldn't have to in the first place. As Ed said, for 14, split, don't cower in the corner.

I think you can only play 3-3 there if you intend to cut and fight like crazy afterwards. Playing moves like 16 and 18 should make you feel physically ill!

Redbeard · #5

Thanks for the comments everyone. I got sucked into a territory based game and was outside of my usual style (I like big moyos and I can not lie). I can see where move 14 would make a big difference. I did wince when I played it :oops:

xed_over · #6

Redbeard wrote:

(I like big moyos and I can not lie).

Bill Spight · #7

and

are terrible. They are saying, I give up, you win.

:w32:

and

send a similar message, though they are not as bad. :w36:

does not do much.

Redbeard · #8

Bill Spight wrote:

and

are terrible. They are saying, I give up, you win.

Are they at least in context with :w14:

? I was trying to make something after that bad move. Would it have been better to tenuki after :w14:

and take my lumps?

Bill Spight · #9

Redbeard wrote:

Bill Spight wrote:

and

are terrible. They are saying, I give up, you win.

Are they at least in context with :w14:

? I was trying to make something after that bad move. Would it have been better to tenuki after :w14:

and take my lumps?

is not such a bad move. Cutting the sector line is better, but :w14:

is on a vital point for both sides. Better to push and cut after :b15:

.

daniel_the_smith · **#10**

Redbeard wrote:

Bill Spight wrote:

and

are terrible. They are saying, I give up, you win.

Are they at least in context with :w14:

? I was trying to make something after that bad move. Would it have been better to tenuki after :w14:

and take my lumps?

Bill ninja'd me, but my answer was going to be:

'Fraid not. :w14:

says "Now I'm alive in the corner. Next, I plan to cut your group to pieces and kill them all. :twisted:

" Just living tiny in the corner like that would be a loss if it doesn't give you a good attack on an opponent's group or some other additional benefit.

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