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Author:  xed_over [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:00 am ]
Post subject:  lost in 50
One of the games I played yesterday at the Go Center, I lost in less than fifty moves. While I didn't resign then, I never was able to catch back up.

It was a silly reading error -- I zigged, when I should have zagged -- but in reality, I think the game was probably over before then anyway.

My opening as white sucks. My stones weren't working together. I had no plan.

Please help me find my plan.

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It was a diagonal opening (with :b1: and :w2: in the lower corners). He encloses, I take a wing to block that extension. Simple joseki and I take the double wing.

I felt good about it so far, but then it started to fall apart for me with my moves :w14: and :w20: and :w22:

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[go]$$Bcm13 moves 13-22
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Perhaps I should have played more simply with :w14: @O4, or even tried @R6. I think I was fearing I would hurt my Q10 stone which must have been why I preemptively played :w14:, but I see now that was probably unfounded fear and played too early?

And I think :w20: is probably just the wrong direction. This just hurts my K4 stone, no? Maybe @G4 is better (especically if I had gone with O4 earlier)?

And :w22: just looks silly to me now. Maybe C3 instead?

Do I need to go on? Oh yes, you want to see my big mistake, don't you?

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[go]$$Wcm38 moves 38-47
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:b23:, :w24: exchanged on the left to complete that shape, then :b25: invades @O4. Attach under, hane, extend down, connect, then I try to push through the elephant eye with :w30:. Black nets at at O6 with :b31:. And here's where my idioicy shines through...

I push up, he blocks, I cut on the left, he extends up, I push through the left with an atari, he extends, and I push through again where the diagram continues with 38-47 where I resign (even if only in my head).

Maybe if I had played :w46: @47, I would have still had a chance. But I completely missed seeing his open liberty there, being blinded by greed. And I'm afraid I had already caused myself so much other damage from earlier, that that still might not have helped.
Author:  wineandgolover [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
Low-dan thoughts, so take from them what you will...

I think your first mistake was earlier than you suspect. The Q10 - Q4 - K4 shape rarely works well. In general, if you have one long side extension, the one in the other direction should be shorter, to make your blocking direction more clear, to maximize pressure on the corner invasion, and to finish with an efficient shape. After a corner invasion of two long extensions, one extension will often look inefficient or even stupid. Your move 14 compounded this, as his 19 both made a base and threatened yours.

If K4 was at O3, you might have an easier game.
Author:  xed_over [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
wineandgolover wrote:
If K4 was at O3, you might have an easier game.

good points.

But if I were black, I think I might play the enclosure at d5 next, no? Then as white, I'm lost without a plan again.

The bottom side is flat, the top side is flat. You typically don't want to extend from those, do you? Or maybe the K4 extension works better now? Invade the left side? That looks scary (but maybe that's my problem too).
Author:  wineandgolover [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
If black d5 bothers you, play there first, before k4 or o3. I was just comparing k4 and o3.

Btw, if he plays d5 himself, it's still a game.
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
IMHO, the sequence of 14-19 is terrible for you.

Move 14 feels wrong. It is an extension from weakness, or at least, an extension from vagueness. Q10 is a light stone, and you extended off of it as if it were more solid.

He invades, and suddenly your R13 and Q10 stones are floating. ( And the clamp at P4 is ominous )

You might have done better with the outside hane at 16. It is not what I would call a good result overall, but at least it is consistent with 14.

Help you find your plan? Add the concepts of 'light' and 'heavy' to your cognitive fuseki repertoire, and your plan will emerge on its own.
Author:  logan [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
In a diagonal game it's more difficult to play a moyo game. However, high-stones can also be used for attacking. So once Black builds a solid corner enclosure, it's already become more difficult to use this fighting strategy. Therefore, you should consider playing the other high-stone low now, or approaching the last corner before Black can enclose it.

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[go]$$Bcm13
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Once Black approaches here, you can consider immediately approaching the last open corner with A or B. Your 4-4 corner stone will be fine against any Black followups because of the two marked stones that you invested in earlier. At minimum, this strategy will create a more dynamic position for White, and thus ability to use the high-stones for fighting.

Another problem is that you have two narrow extensions with :w14: & :w22: and :w20: is an overplay:

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[go]$$Bcm13
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If you want to play on the right, then you can consider :w14: probing at A or even attaching at B. Normally you don't attach when thinking about attacking (or so proverb says), but in this situation the attachment is possible -- building a sizable corner, letting your high-stones inhibit Black's resulting shape, and ending in sente. On the left, :w22: should followup at C and establish the normal joseki.

Black has a strong followup at D, which White should protect with :w20:; and the Black group still is not settled, so this move is even more important at maintaining pressure on the Black group. Since this gives White gote and :b19: has already undercut the value of :w14:, then we can also see this as another reason that :w14: was misplaced and :w20: (in the game) was an overplay in this position.
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
BTW, losing in 50 puts you in good company. On the following page, John Fairbairn shows a few pro games shorter than yours. :o ( It includes one in which move 2 did indeed lose the game :) )

http://web.archive.org/web/200810240550 ... rtest.html
Author:  xed_over [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
right, I knew I didn't like 14 when I played it, I just didn't know why.

and after having played it, I knew 20 wasn't right either, and 21 made that clear to me. And yeah, I knew I should have played the normal joseki with 22, but I think my head was already messed up with 14 and 20 :)

But I see now, how I should have played this common joseki with 14 too. I just don't know why it didn't occur to me.

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[go]$$Wcm14 alternate 14
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


With my Q10 stone already in place, that leaves black with no followup being unable to finish this joseki, and perhaps I can gain by chasing him across the board?

This looks like a better plan for white so far, no?
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
xed_over wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm14 alternate 14
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This looks like a better plan for white so far, no?


It does look better. Although I don't think that you can count on him to play so heavily with 17. He is more likely to try the tiger's mouth:

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[go]$$Wcm14 alternate 14
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


It may be even better to try the same theme in a more simplistic manner. Why attach at all?
Make white resort to attaching to you. Then you get a nice corner. And he is still not safe:

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[go]$$Wcm14 another alternate 14
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This looks fun too. I'm not sure where 20 goes.
Author:  illluck [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
...It may be even better to try the same theme in a more simplistic manner. Why attach at all?
Make white resort to attaching to you. Then you get a nice corner. And he is still not safe:

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[go]$$Wcm14 another alternate 14
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This looks fun too. I'm not sure where 20 goes.

To be honest, I prefer the first one because there's less room for black's group. It's not clear to me that the kosumi instead of the connect is better because white's kosumi later is sente for threatening a connection.

Edit: Actually, sorry, your sequence is better because it's white sente XD I was comparing the two diagrams directly.
Author:  yoyoma [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
Why would you make a moyo, and then when black enters it, you ran directly *away* from the invading stone? This defies all logic!
Author:  EdLee [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:08 pm ]
Post subject: 
xed_over,
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[go]$$B
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[go]$$Bcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
The above move order based on your notes; please let me know if I've made a mistake.
xed_over wrote:
Perhaps I should have played more simply with :w14: @O4, or even tried @R6.
About :w14: attaching at R6... there's no guarantee B would hane at R7. Instead,
B might try to disrupt things another way:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . 4 O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Your first idea of :w14: at O4 seems reasonable... if the sequence up to :b6: follows (Joaz's 3rd diagram), then
W could help :wc: and put pressure on B at the same time with :w7: :
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$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . 1 . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Author:  xed_over [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: lost in 50
yoyoma wrote:
Why would you make a moyo, and then when black enters it, you ran directly *away* from the invading stone? This defies all logic!

thanks, you're just trying to help me better appreciate Kageyama's "Fundamentals" (which I can't stand, because he yells at me).
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